My point, on a forum of Catalina 27 owners, is to perhaps to help the seller list his boat in a fashion that might convince potiention buyers that the boat listed is the way he describes. I own a Catalina 27, and when I purchased it I looked at perhaps 25 boats, some were listed honestly and others had some creative descriptions. I learned quickly who I could trust. I felt if the seller was honest with the obvious things perhaps he was also honest with the not so obvious. I made the comments in hopes that Todd might have altered his boat description to be more in line with reality.
Now maybe Todd can get 6 adults in his cockpit while sailing and 3 more in the cabin, but on my boat I find it less than comfortable with any more than four adults in the cockpit with any boat speed higher than just ghosting along. I suppose the number of crew you take out sailing is a personal space thing, but when I think back to the discussion we had a short while back about shortening the tiller to make it more comfortable for the crew I didn't think we were describing having 6-8 adults in the cockpit. A kingsize bed is 76" x 80" inches. I would like to see anyone get a 6'4"x6'6" mattress in a boat with 8'10" beam. By the way, a queen size mattress is 60"x80", so your 68" is 8" narrower than a King and just 8" wider than a queen. Some Kings are listed even larger than 76x80. Next the head, oh sorry, the "Bath", is private but. Webster's 3rd definition of a bath is: "3 b : . a series of rooms designed for bathing". In my boat's head I would never consider that space suitable for bathing. But by all means describe your boat the best way your feel will sell the boat. Joe McCary Aeolus II. #4795, West River, MD www.aeoluswestriver.net joe at photoresponse dot com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Bowick Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must sell A very diplomatic response to a rather in-sensitive e-mail. If I was looking at a sailboat, relative to other boats in the same length, your claims are not that far off. If someone knows the size of a Catalina 27, they already have a vision in their mind. If they don't know the boat, this ad will get their attention. I wish I could help, Florida is a little too far for me. Best of luck, I wish you my best. Joe, what was the point? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must sell Sir, Thank you very much for helping by pointing out my mistakes in a public forum. Maybe you would be so kind as to help me correct my faulty thinking. 1. By my tape measure my filler cushions are 68" wide which is almost 10" wider than the queen bed in my bedroom. Maybe I should write queen size plus 10" inches? 2. Not sure about your boat, but mine by marine standards has a "private bath". It is a dedicated bathroom with a door and not a portapottie under a V berth cushion. Not a large one..but it is private. 3. I guess I should say seats 6. I sailed 3 days ago with 6 in the cockpit and no one behind the traveler. Plus 3 in the cabin. All adults and we left the dock for hours? An anchor sunshade is a tentlike cover that goes over the top of the boom for shade while at anchor or dock. Reality???? My reality is that if I don't get my boat sold I can't pay my rent on the 1st. I have hung onto my love of sailing as long as I could for my children and myself, but we can't afford to do it any longer. Thank you for reminding me of that. --- In [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe McCary" <j...@...> wrote: > > Todd, I wish you all the best, I can only imagine how difficult this must > be. But after reading your sale note I wonder if you might tweak it a bit. > > "Salon has filler cushions that convert to king size bed", really Kingsize? > > "Private bath with marine head and sink", Private bath, it it were anymore > private I couldn't get in. > > "Large cockpit seats 6-8 adults" sorry, but my boat has "perch" seats and > even then maybe 6 adults at dock. > > > > Without seeing the boat, I do agree that this is a good deal. But perhaps a > bit more reality will helop sell her. > > > > OH, and one last question, what is a, "anchor sunshade"? > > > > Joe McCary > Aeolus II. #4795, West River, MD > www.aeoluswestriver.net > joe at photoresponse dot com > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Todd > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:32 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [IC27A] 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must sell > > > > > > Really need to get this sold quick due to loss of income. Boat is well worth > the price. Gonna Ebay it if not sold by early next week. I have lots of > pics. > > 1978 Catalina 27 Standard Rig. Sleeps 5-6. 2 in private front V birth, and > 3-4 in salon. Salon has filler cushions that convert to king size bed. > Private bath with marine head and sink. Galley has 2 burner propane stove, > large ice box, cupboards and sink. Lots of windows and storage. Full > standing head room. Large cockpit seats 6-8 adults. Sails are good and boat > is 100% ready to sail. She is not perfect but a very seaworthy Vessel and is > priced accordingly!! You will not find a better deal on a nice 27 foot class > boat in sailaway condition. > > Features: > -Roller furling Jib(150 Genoa). Great condition New sunbrela suncover, > furling drum control line and sheets > -JVC radio/ CD player with 4 speakers > -Main sail just serviced > -1 year old mainsail cover, tiller cover, companionway cover, winch > covers(all sunbrela) > -6 foot SS Bimini Top with holdback kit and cover. > -Good standing rigging. Most running rigging recently replaced. > -Compass, Speed, Depth Gauges, VHF Radio, interior and nav. lights, fan. > Shore power. > -Bottom job last year, maintained monthly in water > -Wind scoop hatch sail for ventilation > -Easily single handed: all lines ran to cockpit, 4 winches, lots of cleats > and clutches, self reefing > -Lots of extra's: parts, lines, fenders, covers, anchor sunshade, fire ext. > 125 amp battery, solar charger, winch handle, extra tiller, Life ring, > cleaners, stains, to much to list. > > Boat has had a ton of work in the last couple months. I would call the > condition above average for the year. Just cleaned top to bottom. Have all > original manuals and maintenance records since new. > > Boat is in the water for viewing or a test sail. No Trailer. I will help to > sail the boat to it's new home. Must sell NOW! $4200 FIRM. CASH ONLY. > SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. The boat is in a secured private club and > locked. I must be present for the boat to be viewed or you can't get in. > Title in hand. 904-487-9503 > > The following item are also available for sale with the boat: > -7.5 HP 1994 Honda 4 stroke outboard. Just fully reconditioned by local > shop. Long shaft, high thrust prop and charging system. $700 > -Tiller autopilot with remote $300 > -Brand new main sail never flown New $650 > -GPS Garmin Map 72 with Ram mount $200 > -2 10" 12 volt TV's with DVD Player. $100 > -Spinnaker sail, rigging and turtle bag. $500 > > Will include all with boat for $6000 > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5229 (20100625) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > _____ No virus found in this incoming message. 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