Joe I didn't think you were out of of line, just trying to help. By the way I got my winches but haven't put them on yet. I haven't decided whether to mount them in the same location as the original or further aft. -Doug
--- In [email protected], "Joe McCary" <j...@...> wrote: > > Mike and Todd, it was not my intent to belittle anyone and if I did I > certainly apologize for that. My intent, was to help him move his boat > description toward something that might help sell his boat. You are right, > email is far from a perfect medium for communication. > > > > And my comment about owners is I don't think this venue is a good place to > sell a boat, 99% of the people here already own the same boat and purchasing > a 2nd is far from their minds. eBay and Craigslist are better venues for > listing things for sale, imho. > > > > So, Todd please look at my comments a bit differently, consider them as > suggestions to help your listing and not to embarrass you. And for a minute > consider your listing as more embellishment than fact and think about > changing some of the facts to more align the listing to be a fair > representation of what the boat you are offering is like in reality. > > > > Joe McCary > Aeolus II. #4795, West River, MD > www.aeoluswestriver.net > joe at photoresponse dot com > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Michael Bowick > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must > sell > > > > > > I'm not a big fan of e-mail. Sometimes it's hard to read sarcasim. Maybe > your origional response wasn't meant to be sarcstic. If not, my apologies. I > also own a Catalina 27 (I'm not sure if your choice of putting "owners" in > bold form was implying that maybe I didn't), in fact until last week I owned > two. > > > > Cheers, Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe McCary <mailto:j...@...> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must > sell > > > > > > My point, on a forum of Catalina 27 owners, is to perhaps to help the seller > list his boat in a fashion that might convince potiention buyers that the > boat listed is the way he describes. I own a Catalina 27, and when I > purchased it I looked at perhaps 25 boats, some were listed honestly and > others had some creative descriptions. I learned quickly who I could trust. > I felt if the seller was honest with the obvious things perhaps he was also > honest with the not so obvious. I made the comments in hopes that Todd might > have altered his boat description to be more in line with reality. > > Now maybe Todd can get 6 adults in his cockpit while sailing and 3 more in > the cabin, but on my boat I find it less than comfortable with any more than > four adults in the cockpit with any boat speed higher than just ghosting > along. I suppose the number of crew you take out sailing is a personal > space thing, but when I think back to the discussion we had a short while > back about shortening the tiller to make it more comfortable for the crew I > didn't think we were describing having 6-8 adults in the cockpit. > > A kingsize bed is 76" x 80" inches. I would like to see anyone get a > 6'4"x6'6" mattress in a boat with 8'10" beam. By the way, a queen size > mattress is 60"x80", so your 68" is 8" narrower than a King and just 8" > wider than a queen. Some Kings are listed even larger than 76x80. > > Next the head, oh sorry, the "Bath", is private but. Webster's 3rd > definition of a bath is: "3 b : . a series of rooms designed for bathing". > In my boat's head I would never consider that space suitable for bathing. > > But by all means describe your boat the best way your feel will sell the > boat. > > Joe McCary > Aeolus II. #4795, West River, MD > www.aeoluswestriver.net > joe at photoresponse dot com > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Michael Bowick > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must > sell > > > > A very diplomatic response to a rather in-sensitive e-mail. If I was looking > at a sailboat, relative to other boats in the same length, your claims are > not that far off. If someone knows the size of a Catalina 27, they already > have a vision in their mind. If they don't know the boat, this ad will get > their attention. I wish I could help, Florida is a little too far for me. > Best of luck, I wish you my best. > > Joe, what was the point? > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Todd <mailto:jumpnh...@...> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:57 PM > > Subject: [IC27A] Re: 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must sell > > > > Sir, > Thank you very much for helping by pointing out my mistakes in a public > forum. Maybe you would be so kind as to help me correct my faulty thinking. > > 1. By my tape measure my filler cushions are 68" wide which is almost 10" > wider than the queen bed in my bedroom. Maybe I should write queen size plus > 10" inches? > > 2. Not sure about your boat, but mine by marine standards has a "private > bath". It is a dedicated bathroom with a door and not a portapottie under a > V berth cushion. Not a large one..but it is private. > > 3. I guess I should say seats 6. I sailed 3 days ago with 6 in the cockpit > and no one behind the traveler. Plus 3 in the cabin. All adults and we left > the dock for hours? > > An anchor sunshade is a tentlike cover that goes over the top of the boom > for shade while at anchor or dock. > > Reality???? My reality is that if I don't get my boat sold I can't pay my > rent on the 1st. I have hung onto my love of sailing as long as I could for > my children and myself, but we can't afford to do it any longer. Thank you > for reminding me of that. > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe McCary" > <joe@> wrote: > > > > Todd, I wish you all the best, I can only imagine how difficult this must > > be. But after reading your sale note I wonder if you might tweak it a bit. > > > > "Salon has filler cushions that convert to king size bed", really > Kingsize? > > > > "Private bath with marine head and sink", Private bath, it it were anymore > > private I couldn't get in. > > > > "Large cockpit seats 6-8 adults" sorry, but my boat has "perch" seats and > > even then maybe 6 adults at dock. > > > > > > > > Without seeing the boat, I do agree that this is a good deal. But perhaps > a > > bit more reality will helop sell her. > > > > > > > > OH, and one last question, what is a, "anchor sunshade"? > > > > > > > > Joe McCary > > Aeolus II. #4795, West River, MD > > www.aeoluswestriver.net > > joe at photoresponse dot com > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of Todd > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:32 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [IC27A] 1978 C27 Standard Rig. Jacksonville, FL $4200 Must sell > > > > > > > > > > > > Really need to get this sold quick due to loss of income. Boat is well > worth > > the price. Gonna Ebay it if not sold by early next week. I have lots of > > pics. > > > > 1978 Catalina 27 Standard Rig. Sleeps 5-6. 2 in private front V birth, and > > 3-4 in salon. Salon has filler cushions that convert to king size bed. > > Private bath with marine head and sink. Galley has 2 burner propane stove, > > large ice box, cupboards and sink. Lots of windows and storage. Full > > standing head room. Large cockpit seats 6-8 adults. Sails are good and > boat > > is 100% ready to sail. She is not perfect but a very seaworthy Vessel and > is > > priced accordingly!! You will not find a better deal on a nice 27 foot > class > > boat in sailaway condition. > > > > Features: > > -Roller furling Jib(150 Genoa). Great condition New sunbrela suncover, > > furling drum control line and sheets > > -JVC radio/ CD player with 4 speakers > > -Main sail just serviced > > -1 year old mainsail cover, tiller cover, companionway cover, winch > > covers(all sunbrela) > > -6 foot SS Bimini Top with holdback kit and cover. > > -Good standing rigging. Most running rigging recently replaced. > > -Compass, Speed, Depth Gauges, VHF Radio, interior and nav. lights, fan. > > Shore power. > > -Bottom job last year, maintained monthly in water > > -Wind scoop hatch sail for ventilation > > -Easily single handed: all lines ran to cockpit, 4 winches, lots of cleats > > and clutches, self reefing > > -Lots of extra's: parts, lines, fenders, covers, anchor sunshade, fire > ext. > > 125 amp battery, solar charger, winch handle, extra tiller, Life ring, > > cleaners, stains, to much to list. > > > > Boat has had a ton of work in the last couple months. I would call the > > condition above average for the year. Just cleaned top to bottom. Have all > > original manuals and maintenance records since new. > > > > Boat is in the water for viewing or a test sail. No Trailer. I will help > to > > sail the boat to it's new home. Must sell NOW! $4200 FIRM. CASH ONLY. > > SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY PLEASE. The boat is in a secured private club and > > locked. I must be present for the boat to be viewed or you can't get in. > > Title in hand. 904-487-9503 > > > > The following item are also available for sale with the boat: > > -7.5 HP 1994 Honda 4 stroke outboard. Just fully reconditioned by local > > shop. Long shaft, high thrust prop and charging system. $700 > > -Tiller autopilot with remote $300 > > -Brand new main sail never flown New $650 > > -GPS Garmin Map 72 with Ram mount $200 > > -2 10" 12 volt TV's with DVD Player. $100 > > -Spinnaker sail, rigging and turtle bag. $500 > > > > Will include all with boat for $6000 > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 5229 (20100625) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 > 06:35:00 > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5230 (20100625) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5230 (20100625) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5230 (20100625) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 > 06:35:00 > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5230 (20100625) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5230 (20100625) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com >
