On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 1:09 PM Michael Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 12/29/22 7:20 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 4:14 PM Michael Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Done, and thanks for that text. >> >> One nit, Barry's text should be above the proposals not below. It makes >> it look like those are the only proposals on the table which I'm nearly >> certain is not your intent. >> > One other thing though, should there be some bounds on what appears to be >> the possibility of writing a BCP like document? I mean, I can think of some >> things that could help mitigate this but they are pretty wonky and >> definitely untested. Do we actually have that operational experience to >> recommend anything? >> > > The charter as-is is now up for IESG Evaluation and one AD has already > commented on it, so I'm going to hold any edits until after the next > telechat (on January 5th) so as not to give them a moving target. After > that I'll apply this and any other feedback. > > That's fine, but we can talk about it in the mean time, right? I'm not > suggesting a specific change on the BCP part because I'm not exactly sure > what we should do. I know that it seems "obvious" but it also seems to me > that we could get out in the weeds really easy and recommend stuff that we > probably shouldn't. That's what I'm struggling with respect to "bounds". > I'm not sure that we have the operational knowledge -- or more likely > operational knowledge that can be shared -- to recommend something? > I expect that one of two things will happen: (1) We will attract a sufficiently broad set of contributors that whatever consensus they come up with will be defensible because it collectively has the operational knowledge and expertise to make appropriate BCP-style recommendations to the industry, or (2) we will not, and we'll know it, and thus we'll know we can't produce defensible advice suitable for publication. I don't know off the top of my head what charter text I need to add to capture this. This is how consensus works, in my mind. I take as evidence of this the fact that the first incarnation of the DKIM working group knew itself well enough to completely avoid the topic of user interfaces, for example. -MSK
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