I also strongly support this initiative. I really like what I've seen of the work on this so far; it's clear a lot of thought has been put into this design, and I want to express my appreciation to Wei, Bron, and Richard for their efforts on this - as well as anyone else who's contributed. My interest is similar to Tara's - from the sender perspective, this looks well positioned to solve some flaws and operational pain points with existing authentication standards.
And as Laura alluded to, this initiative already has a much clearer path forward than the previous IETF DKIM replay working group did, and I don't think it'll suffer from the same challenges which prevented that WG from making progress. On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 10:34 AM Tara Natanson <tar...@natanson.net> wrote: > As a member of the sending community I am very excited about the work > Bron, Richard and Co. have already done and have joined here to > help continue the work. > > This proposal will help with dkim-reply and if done correctly could > eliminate the need for ARC and possibly even SPF. We need a new way to > send email securely and this proposal seems to be on the right track! > > Tara Natanson > Constant Contact > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 9:43 AM Brian Godiksen <brian= > 40socketlabs....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> I see numerous advantages in many of the proposed changes, and I’m eager >> to continue working towards building a consensus around this proposal. In >> my day job, we’ve had to allocate significant engineering resources to >> mitigate DKIM replay abuse affecting our domains. We’d much prefer to >> channel those efforts into discussions here and inter-op efforts focused on >> these proposed solutions. >> >> Regards, >> Brian Godiksen >> >> On Nov 6, 2024, at 7:26 PM, Bron Gondwana <brong= >> 40fastmailteam....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I prepared presentations about DKIM2 for two places at IETF121 - >> ALLDISPATCH and MAILMAINT. Slides are here: >> >> ALLDISPATCH: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/slides-121-alldispatch-dkim2-00 >> MAILMAINT: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/slides-121-mailmaint-dkim2-00 >> >> In both places (though I didn't get to present at ALLDISPATCH, I still >> did a quick shout-out and had some hallway discussions afterwards) there >> was interest in this work and generally positive comments. >> >> This working group closed down again last year, after there was limited >> engagement on the drafts that founded our last charter - however if you >> look at the design in this new proposal, it echos many of the ideas in >> those drafts. The difference is that this time there's energy, and we've >> engaged many of the biggest mailbox providers and senders in the world in >> this work. >> >> We have been meeting in a private context, every week, for the past few >> months, to iterate towards a design that people think they could implement >> - and where we believe we have a design that's ready to ask the IETF to >> re-open this work, and we can have confidence that there are people willing >> to do that work. The group is composed of engineers who will implement and >> test this proposal, and who have promised to come over here and engage in >> the IETF process. >> >> I think now is an ideal time to re-start this work at the IETF. The >> design is still evolving and there's plenty of space for an IETF working >> group to improve it further, yet it's also had enough design work put in by >> people with operational experience that we have implementers who think they >> can make it work at scale. >> >> We have a draft charter here: >> https://notes.ietf.org/YGynIPpYS7yqg5G7ZeSQeA >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bron. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd >> br...@fastmailteam.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-dkim mailing list -- ietf-dkim@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ietf-dkim-le...@ietf.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-dkim mailing list -- ietf-dkim@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ietf-dkim-le...@ietf.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-dkim mailing list -- ietf-dkim@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ietf-dkim-le...@ietf.org >
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