On 8 Nov 2024, at 6:53, Eliot Lear wrote:

Hi!

On 07.11.2024 22:10, Jim Fenton wrote:
On 7 Nov 2024, at 18:21, Mark E. Mallett wrote:

To gain widespread adoption, it is expected that design proposals will be tested during the development of specifications. The working group will favor designs that are tested at scale and may dismiss those that
  are not.
I would probably be "out of favor" in that regard.
I also think that’s a bit of a strange provision. It seems to give large email providers, those who can test at scale, an unusual amount of veto power should there be something they don’t like.

I don't want the WG to produce science experiments that those providers simply won't deploy.  the question is whether to address it in the charter or through the WG rough consensus process. Pragmatically I'd like to have the argument once.  So maybe now is a good time?

Eliot

Yeah, I helped in crafting that sentence and Eliot's view is what we were going for: It's not that you need to be a large provider, but the expectation is that if you've got implementation and can show that it interoperates at reasonable scale, that should be taken as evidence that we're on the right path and win out over other choices. That is, we want to say overtly and up front in the charter that we're taking the "running code" part seriously and the chairs are empowered to enforce that. If that's not clear from the current text, I'm sure wordsmithing would be welcome.

pr
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