Jari, On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Jari Arkko wrote:
> Bob, > >> Goggle translate was helpful here :-) >> > > Good... and next time when we meet over beer I can reveal the correct > translation :-) Cool! > >>> I do like your idea that IAOC itself needs to work smarter though. It >>> should really be just a board, not the guys doing the actual work. As an >>> outsider, it sometimes feels like you guys are doing too much. In any case, >>> if you and Bob think this would be a good direction for the IAOC to take, >>> can you comment how feasible it is? Has it been tried, could it be tried? >>> (And shouldn't it already be done if it was easy?) >> I am not sure what you mean by the members of the IAOC doing the actual >> work. The IAD does most of the work behind the scenes. That includes >> writing RFPs, motions, budgets, SOWs, agendas, works with the volunteer >> minute takers to produce the minutes, organizes contractor reviews, >> negotiates with contractors, works with ISOC finance department, works with >> legal council, organizes conference calls and meetings, etc., etc. The >> secretariat does the leg work to collect information on venues, costs, >> hotels, etc. The IAOC voting members review, comment, approve/disapprove >> things, but that's not where most of the real work is. The voting members >> are responsible for the decisions and actions. I want to make it clear that >> most of the actual work is not done by the voting members. Given the >> source of our members, we do tend to get involved in details for better or >> worse. The IAOC (and Trust chairs) have a bigger load than the rest of the >> voting members. > > This all sounds good. But do you agree that workload for the chairs is an > issue? Because I thought Jonne was saying that it is an issue and the > solutions should come from a better organization within the IAOC rather than > from Olaf's proposal. But if I read the above, it almost sounds like you > think everything is done pretty much as well as it can be done, and there's > little to change. Up-leveling the discussion: I guess we need to agree about > the problem statement before we can talk about the solutions. Firstly, I was correcting your assertion that the IAOC voting members were doing most of the work. I am sure things can be improved, but I don't think the work load of the IAOC voting members is onerous. Certainly, less than, for example, being on the IESG. It's not a full time job. I think there is a reasonable balance between what the IAD and contractors/staff do and the IAOC voting members, not perfect of course. It may be working better now than earlier. I do agree that there are issues with the load of the I* chairs. My issue is with this solution. Bob > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
