Thanks for a good sprit in the discussion.
You need not to worry about so many languages in India, they are like different target architecture which any programming language translate to. One language can be translated to other without any difficuly. As Phani said, they are all similar, we just need to modify the keyword. Now technically speaking, a programming language is more like a set of rules and keywords with which you can put forth a logic in a non-ambigious way. So, Phani, as programming laguage has its own grammer which is bound to be unambigious, so I can ensure you that it is more profound then Sanskrit. But with this I can coin an idea - A new language which is based on our regional language is at higher level then most programming languages like 'c' or 'java'. Which may help common man to write program and use logic to drive and design new softwares. The softwares which may of use only a specific work. Such softwares, even though inefficient but will be useful. Cheers, Neeraj On Oct 7, 1:46 pm, "Phani Bhushan Tholeti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Im not sure of programming in a regional language, but there have been > studies which say that > using Sanskrit (or atleast its grammar) would make a great programming > language, becuse of the FSM struture and linguistics of > Sanskrit. I believe all Indian languages are similar, they leave very little > scope for ambiguity unlinke English, French etc. > > In this sense, probably coding in Hindi, or Telugu or any Rgnal lang migh be > advantageous, rather than having languages whose syntax you have to learn - > look at this from a beginner's point, most of you guys are excellent > programmers who use the UNIX command line more than anything else, but > remember not all are such, many of use still prefer GUI. so in this case if > the programming language is equally well understood both by the user and > system without much change, it is the next level of programming. > I got this idea just now. Can we start a new thread? > > Narendra, > How about putting it in ur "ideas" blog? > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 13:43, narendra sisodiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Neeraj Goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Hi Narendra, > >> What you are saying is right but as you know that computer understand > >> only binary. Therefore, in whatever language you write, software or > >> compiler will convert it into binary. As a concept Hindi or any > >> language can be used to program computers given software and tools are > >> available. > > >> Now your question - wheather it will be useful? > > >> Then answer is not so straight forward "No". > > > Yes, I am totally agree.. and infact , i have debated on ILUGD mailing list > > on this topic and got many useless argument. > > >> We belive it is not > >> possible because we are so obssessed with English, that we can't > >> imagine any other language being used for computer. > >> But just for your information - in Europe, Japan and Russia etc. > >> Microsoft has to sell Windows in their language. Because people of > >> these country are not obsessed by English. On the contrary, Windows in > >> Hindi is not popular. (Recently I got the oppertunity to listen > >> Professor and Poet Dr. Ashok Chakradhar. He was professing the use of > >> Hindi software and telling that he is using it since long and find it > >> very comfertable. He demonstrated the use of MS Word by writing a few > >> poems in Hindi before us.) > > >> The advanatge of Hindi or regional language as computer language is > >> "mass". Mass in India still do not understand English. Only a few > >> percent of Indian population understands it. And this is the biggest > >> reason internet could not penetrate in India in many years while > >> mobile could easily do it in couple of years. > > >> Also, you may be amaged but it is partly true that unofficial language > >> of teaching in interier of Andra collages is Telgu and similar for > >> other states. We ourself (IIT Delhi students) talk with professors in > >> Hindi where ever feasible. > > >> In such circumstances if programming language can be typed in regional > >> languages, who knows how many good programmers and computer scientists > >> India can produce. > > > NO, this argument true only and only if we have enough hindi coding > > material and books and many such thing, > > "Coding in Local language" is bad idea in any sense, And If we are in India > > this idea is a "foolish" idea when we have so many local language. > > >> Also, with the recent changes in global economy, > >> who knows who is the next world leader (or ecomonic super power). > > >> Lastly, with these comments I am not undermining the usage of English > >> language in Computers but do not want to stop people who are working > >> in the direction of making computer a language independent system. > > > Please understand there are two points > > !) Coding in local language > > 2) communicating in local language > > I am not agree with first point, > > I am agree with second point, that communication "text, audio, video, mails > > " can be done with " modified local language" which has modern dictionary > > words in short "Hinglish" > > infact, whenever, I will my video lectures for students, many will be in > > Hinglish. > > But if many talk like use full Hindi and say computer as "ganak yantra" and > > so on ,, it gives me a high-level of irritation. > > >> Cheers, > >> Neeraj > > >> with another prospective. > > >> narendra sisodiya wrote: > > >> > Sorry for the post, but I do not want to hurt and "hindi-wali feeling" > >> > inside your soft heart. > > >> > Just saw this website --http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ > >> > run the flash intro and see the code snippet . Coding structure in Hindi > >> > gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. > >> > I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in > >> mind,, > > >> > *Can we code in Hindi???* > > >> > My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO > >> use. > > >> > I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in > >> > Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part > >> may > >> > happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may > >> introduce > >> > computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. > > >> > Writing English, speaking English and typing C++ code (which has some > >> > English keywords) is totally different. Even "Kanitkar" has some books > >> in > >> > Hinglish. "hindi bhashi can read them also". > > >> > As a programmer I know, changing platform and language is not easy. It > >> takes > >> > time . But If I have to shift from English keywords to Hindi keywords it > >> > will be really tuff and impossible task. A Hindawi-programmer will also > >> feel > >> > same problem while shifting to actual language. > > >> > Even this project is getting FOSS awards also. ????????? > > >> > In my view it is not a useful effort and will not make any sense. It may > >> be > >> > used as a "proof of concept" which tell that "you can make equivalent > >> Hindi > >> > or lets say Telugu keywords for any computer language like C++ or XML". > > >> > my single question is "when will be become free from cage of ideology"? > > >> > Let me give a very good example -- I attended 1-2 classes of one course > >> at > >> > IITD, the lecturer was a famous artist, He was digitizing some art work > >> of > >> > a village, he was having some illiterate artist --"village females" . > >> After > >> > a small training, those female were having good command in photoshop, > >> and > >> > those females made their own terminologies to talk and explain each > >> other. > >> > In my View Language is not barrier in case of "software and software > >> > languages". All we (Indians) need is a good training. FOSS activities > >> should > >> > be concentrate on content and its quality, rather then such "proof of > >> > concept" projects. > > >> > Let me very specific to the question "Do we really need localization at > >> > software and software languages, taking into consideration of Indian > >> > progress and total number of common english users" > > >> > -- > >> > [ Narendra Sisodiya ] > >> >http://narendra.techfandu.org > >> >http://www.lug-iitd.org > >> > [ +91-93790-75930 ] > > > -- > > ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──────────────┐ > > │ http://narendra.techfandu.org > > │ http://www.lug-iitd.org > > └────────────[ +91-93790-75930 ]──────┘ > > -- > Lots o' Luv, > Phani Bhushan > > Let not your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right - Isaac > Asimov (Salvor Hardin in Foundation and Empire) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- group http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
