I will just say that Windows was the requirement when you were first
inducted to computers.
(otherwise you might have devamoped a phobia from computer, that it is
too hard to learn)
And now you have learned a lot about computer so can make a good
choice for what OS you want to use on your desktop.
This is the basic of learning system. We are always suppose to start
with simpler concepts/instruments/systems,
And go on with more complex and complete system.
So GOD is always wise and knows what is better when.
As far as changing from one system to other system is concerned, when
you will be forced (by circumstances) you have to do it.
Like if the company you work in, have only solaris or mac machines,
then you have to work on a new OS. With the current knowledge
of two OS (linux and Windows) switch over will be easy. This external
force can be - new features you may like, market/job demand, acaedemic
requirement or govennment policies.
Similarly, if you know C, it is easy to switch to C++; and with C++ to
Java. What we are discussing is increasing a step
before 'C'.
As far as devaloping a new language by a Indian devalopers/scientists
is concerened, I would say with millions of devalopers in India, it is
now more feasible then any other country.
On Oct 7, 8:35 pm, "narendra sisodiya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Neeraj Goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I understand your concern. To support your point I also belive that It
> > may happen even franch, chinees and russian
> > as a language will not survive in global envirnemnt. But they will
> > always survive in their local place.
> > In small cities, towns and villiges, english can not penitrate in even
> > next 20-50 years.
>
> > My prospective is, such kind of efforts are targeted for those
> > people. For example, we started learning science and mathematics
> > with Hindi medium and later at intermediate level (12 level)
> > everything changed to english
>
> we "shifted" from science to engineering -- ask them who do not shifted
> platform but medium, they suffer problems,,, and this example is not
> appropriate
>
> I think case is much different,
> even i do not have time to shift from my 1.5 year fedora experience to
> Gentoo, why a child will shift from "hindawi" to C++/Java in English,,
>
> You try to develop some packages/software using Hindawi/hindi font based
> coding,, you will get know that how much problem you will face,,, Same thing
> will occur for those who has habit to problem in Hindi keywords but later at
> some stage will be forced to code in English language . That time they will
> suffer,and they will curse all those who promoted and hypnotized mind of new
> generation,
>
> I know coding will become easier,,?? but it that the only criteria,,,?? , I
> will a solid example ,
> Please note that this example has apology
> *
> Coding in local language --> easy --> like window
> Coding in actual form , English --> small difficulty --> like Linux*
>
> "6 year before, GOD came to India with pirated CDs of window, and
> distributed to many new children like me and told us take this OS this is
> very very easy to use and he hypnotised everybody in my region and nobody
> told me about Linux OS. when I came to IIT I first coded in TC3 for first 6
> month in windows again for next 6 month, not even professor of so called IIT
> also told me.. and there was not active Linux group was there at that
> time,.later I came to know about Linux,. All the "A+ mastery" and
> everything I did on Linux was in last 3 semester. and I can say very proud
> that my 6 CGPA of masters was really a 20+ CGPA efforts. That time I *
> "cursed/abused"* that GOD who did not told me about Linux in my BTech time,
> I would have been learned a lot,, and this is the only reason why I am so
> dedicatedly active in foss communities specially [EMAIL PROTECTED] for last
> 1+ year"
> "em-powering education by giving good educational content is the only motto
> of my life"
>
> *You may hypnotise new generation and yourself and give them a easy/complex
> tool for coding in local language but they will curse you later time (just
> like me)
> and many thank to **"Bjarne Stroustrup" who do not think *like* this other
> wise he will make C++ in his local language (he is from denmark, ) and I and
> whole world will be learning language of denmark (idk) by this time, !!!!!!
> *
> *
> *"I always say please make educational content to teach village and poor
> children" that way you can em-power them ."
> even I have a example , where "illiterate village females , local artist in
> their art" got good command over Photoshop during digitising process of
> their art.
> All they were given a good training --- that is all needed,, yes,, I am
> fully favour in giving training in local languages.. infact my tool "Eduvid"
> will be having multilingual features,,
>
> Last but serious,, -- "my nephew use hindi theme in nokia mobile , he is
> very little and under 5th class, he can change all sort of settings , and he
> is comfortable to that theme, because mobile dealer gave him as default
> theme, the dealer has made that theme mother-theme, he is ready to change
> it, just like , today i do not have time to sit and know hack about
> gentoo,.adn start coding on gentoo,,, fedora works fine for me,,, ,,scale
> this example.,, if he work for hindi coding and software , he will face
> difficulty.at later time,,,"
>
> Very frankly I am not worry , not even 1%.. I know , never a Indian/anybody
> will be able to make a good coding platform in local language or if he able
> to develop also , that scheme will not sustain..and will fail after a time,
> no body will use it,,
>
> Please believe me ,, this task has "NP hard " complexity,,
> If "development of India" is the only goal and there and always many
> "visible" ways to do it,,
>
> . The same would be advanatge of
>
> > introducing these local language based computer courses. And
> > programming and the related tools will definately help student to
> > think more logical.
>
> > As far as custmores are concerned, anybody can buy softwares made by
> > these languages. Does it matter if a software is written in c or c++
> > or java?
>
> > Specifically as I said earlier, the major advanatage of such software
> > would be for people who has very specific needs. For example, in a
> > office somebody need to do to schedule some jobs/person every month
> > and it consume a lot of time and mind. If a local programmers - like a
> > 6th class student is made to understand his problem and code it in the
> > computer, the problem may be solved.
>
> If he able to do in hindi, he will be able to do in English also,, I do not
> know how the hell some #defines or hindi font can help,a student ??, All he
> need to learn, some keyword,in English,
>
> The software designed by student
>
>
>
> > may not be good in efficieny or data structure but if works that is
> > good enough. And I guess it should not be un-imaginable to get a 10
> > year old to solve a well defined problem.
>
> > I hope I made my point.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Neeraj
>
> > On Oct 7, 4:38 pm, "narendra sisodiya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Never in a time of history, we Indian got a platform to have a common
> > > things, like language, communication , etc,
> > > now at the age of Internet and globalization, we Indians are getting a
> > > common platform which is "computer and English" ,
> > > Localisation of software and their GUIs is again a new "divide and rule"
> > > kind of thing. localisation will keep us divide and never we will be able
> > to
> > > stand in front of world.
> > > for example, in my office, if everybody has done their master/BE in their
> > > local language then you can assume how much problems of communication we
> > > will be facing,,
> > > As a technical point of view, you can assume it like -- microsoft create
> > VB
> > > and VML, but w3c specify JavaScript and SVG to do the things, so
> > microsoft
> > > should make their browser compatible to new standard which are world wide
> > > accepted..
> > > You can assume English as worldwide standard for communication and
> > computing
> > > language. and we should adopt it. If we do not support it, we will face
> > > problems. This is a true fact.
>
> > > Please do not give any example of China and France, "they have a a
> > > common agreed communication language" and we have many many language
> > inside
> > > country.
>
> > > We cannot translate whole Internet to Hindi and Telugu etc, we cannot
> > > translate whole materials, daily we use to get a whole lot of software
> > and
> > > framework, how much effort will be needed to make it,,,
>
> > > Even if we able to make two very high level computer language in
> > Hindi
> > > and Telugu and by magic many "North + south Indian" are started using
> > it,,
> > > Will it be useful,?? to whom we will sell software, ?? why client will
> > take
> > > them ?? moreover we will be limited in our "golden cage" ,,
>
> > > "Please do not recommend Hindi or local language based coding to
> > > anyone or mailing list other wise I will come to your home after some
> > year
> > > tell your baby to lean coding in "Hindi / local language" and that time,
> > do
> > > not stop me" and yes i will bring copy of hindubuntu or telubuntu with me
> > > also,,
>
> > > You know for us it will topic does not matter much,, but soon
> > after
> > > 2-5 year, may be due to politics, these local language software or coding
> > > have a fair chance to become part of syllabus. that generation will
> > suffer,,
>
> > > Even a child who do not speak English can work and play computer,,
> > So,
> > > Do you still think that we need Hindi GUI software??
>
> > > Yes we need , but only in the limited case ,, and that limited case
> > > where the user is like my papa or mamma,
>
> > > But Those software and programming should not be included in
> > academic
> > > section, because today every student has basic knowledge of English, so
> > it
> > > will not be difficult to learn computer,,, But if you teach computers and
> > > programming using Hindi or Telugu GUI software , right from childhood ,
> > they
> > > will suffer in future
> > > This is similar to "shifting from window addiction to Linux" --
> > even
> > > I have addiction of Fedora Linux,, I cannot and do not want to work other
> > > then Fedora.
>
> > > But our main talk was, "coding is local language" -- I do not prefer this
> > > idea.
>
> > > Please do not spread or work in this idea. If you still want
> > to
> > > code you can code in local language , you can try out like this,,
>
> > > save all '#defines' in separate file to make your code clean,
>
> > > #include<iostream>
> > > using namespace std ;
> > > # define agar if(
> > > # define jab_tak_ki {
> > > # define esa_karo do
> > > # define shuru {
> > > # define tab ){
> > > # define khatam_agar }
> > > # define pahla_function main
> > > # define ank int
> > > # define manlo int
> > > # define mana_ki int
> > > # define barabar_ho ==
> > > # define barabar =
> > > # define likho cout<<
> > > # define vapus_chalo return
>
> > > ank pahla_function (){
> > > mana_ki aai barabar 5 ;
> > > agar aai barabar_ho 5 tab
> > > likho "ramram dunia\n";
> > > khatam_agar
> > > vapus_chalo 0;
>
> > > }
>
> > > Note : This code will compile without any error on gcc, and will give
> > > results also,,
> > > save it as mera_code.cpp
> > > and try this
>
> > > # gcc mera_code.cpp
> > > # ./a.out
>
> > > @phani
> > > I will try to write all these in my blog,,,
>
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>
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