On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Neeraj Goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I will just say that Windows was the requirement when you were first
> inducted to computers.
> (otherwise you might have devamoped a phobia from computer, that it is
> too hard to learn)
> And now you have learned a lot about computer so can make a good
> choice for what OS you want to use on your desktop.
>
> This is the basic of learning system. We are always suppose to start
> with simpler concepts/instruments/systems,
> And go on with more complex and complete system.
> So GOD is always wise and knows what is better when.
>
> As far as changing from one system to other system is concerned, when
> you will be forced (by circumstances) you have to do it.
> Like if the company you work in, have only solaris or mac machines,
> then you have to work on a new OS. With the current knowledge
> of two OS (linux and Windows) switch over will be easy. This external
> force can be - new features you may like, market/job demand, acaedemic
> requirement or govennment policies.
>
> Similarly, if you know C, it is easy to switch to C++; and with C++ to
> Java. What we are discussing is increasing a step
> before 'C'.
>
> As far as devaloping a new language by a Indian devalopers/scientists
> is concerened, I would say with millions of devalopers in India, it is
> now more feasible then any other country.
>
Try out,
It will not be useful, and it will be a waste of time.
>
>
> On Oct 7, 8:35 pm, "narendra sisodiya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Neeraj Goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I understand your concern. To support your point I also belive that It
> > > may happen even franch, chinees and russian
> > > as a language will not survive in global envirnemnt. But they will
> > > always survive in their local place.
> > > In small cities, towns and villiges, english can not penitrate in even
> > > next 20-50 years.
> >
> > > My prospective is, such kind of efforts are targeted for those
> > > people. For example, we started learning science and mathematics
> > > with Hindi medium and later at intermediate level (12 level)
> > > everything changed to english
> >
> > we "shifted" from science to engineering -- ask them who do not shifted
> > platform but medium, they suffer problems,,, and this example is not
> > appropriate
> >
> > I think case is much different,
> > even i do not have time to shift from my 1.5 year fedora experience to
> > Gentoo, why a child will shift from "hindawi" to C++/Java in English,,
> >
> > You try to develop some packages/software using Hindawi/hindi font based
> > coding,, you will get know that how much problem you will face,,, Same
> thing
> > will occur for those who has habit to problem in Hindi keywords but later
> at
> > some stage will be forced to code in English language . That time they
> will
> > suffer,and they will curse all those who promoted and hypnotized mind of
> new
> > generation,
> >
> > I know coding will become easier,,?? but it that the only criteria,,,?? ,
> I
> > will a solid example ,
> > Please note that this example has apology
> > *
> > Coding in local language --> easy --> like window
> > Coding in actual form , English --> small difficulty --> like Linux*
> >
> > "6 year before, GOD came to India with pirated CDs of window, and
> > distributed to many new children like me and told us take this OS this is
> > very very easy to use and he hypnotised everybody in my region and nobody
> > told me about Linux OS. when I came to IIT I first coded in TC3 for first
> 6
> > month in windows again for next 6 month, not even professor of so called
> IIT
> > also told me.. and there was not active Linux group was there at that
> > time,.later I came to know about Linux,. All the "A+ mastery" and
> > everything I did on Linux was in last 3 semester. and I can say very
> proud
> > that my 6 CGPA of masters was really a 20+ CGPA efforts. That time I *
> > "cursed/abused"* that GOD who did not told me about Linux in my BTech
> time,
> > I would have been learned a lot,, and this is the only reason why I am so
> > dedicatedly active in foss communities specially [EMAIL PROTECTED] for last
> > 1+
> year"
> > "em-powering education by giving good educational content is the only
> motto
> > of my life"
> >
> > *You may hypnotise new generation and yourself and give them a
> easy/complex
> > tool for coding in local language but they will curse you later time
> (just
> > like me)
> > and many thank to **"Bjarne Stroustrup" who do not think *like* this
> other
> > wise he will make C++ in his local language (he is from denmark, ) and I
> and
> > whole world will be learning language of denmark (idk) by this time,
> !!!!!!
> > *
> > *
> > *"I always say please make educational content to teach village and poor
> > children" that way you can em-power them ."
> > even I have a example , where "illiterate village females , local artist
> in
> > their art" got good command over Photoshop during digitising process of
> > their art.
> > All they were given a good training --- that is all needed,, yes,, I am
> > fully favour in giving training in local languages.. infact my tool
> "Eduvid"
> > will be having multilingual features,,
> >
> > Last but serious,, -- "my nephew use hindi theme in nokia mobile , he is
> > very little and under 5th class, he can change all sort of settings , and
> he
> > is comfortable to that theme, because mobile dealer gave him as default
> > theme, the dealer has made that theme mother-theme, he is ready to change
> > it, just like , today i do not have time to sit and know hack about
> > gentoo,.adn start coding on gentoo,,, fedora works fine for me,,, ,,scale
> > this example.,, if he work for hindi coding and software , he will face
> > difficulty.at later time,,,"
> >
> > Very frankly I am not worry , not even 1%.. I know , never a
> Indian/anybody
> > will be able to make a good coding platform in local language or if he
> able
> > to develop also , that scheme will not sustain..and will fail after a
> time,
> > no body will use it,,
> >
> > Please believe me ,, this task has "NP hard " complexity,,
> > If "development of India" is the only goal and there and always many
> > "visible" ways to do it,,
> >
> > . The same would be advanatge of
> >
> > > introducing these local language based computer courses. And
> > > programming and the related tools will definately help student to
> > > think more logical.
> >
> > > As far as custmores are concerned, anybody can buy softwares made by
> > > these languages. Does it matter if a software is written in c or c++
> > > or java?
> >
> > > Specifically as I said earlier, the major advanatage of such software
> > > would be for people who has very specific needs. For example, in a
> > > office somebody need to do to schedule some jobs/person every month
> > > and it consume a lot of time and mind. If a local programmers - like a
> > > 6th class student is made to understand his problem and code it in the
> > > computer, the problem may be solved.
> >
> > If he able to do in hindi, he will be able to do in English also,, I do
> not
> > know how the hell some #defines or hindi font can help,a student ??, All
> he
> > need to learn, some keyword,in English,
> >
> > The software designed by student
> >
> >
> >
> > > may not be good in efficieny or data structure but if works that is
> > > good enough. And I guess it should not be un-imaginable to get a 10
> > > year old to solve a well defined problem.
> >
> > > I hope I made my point.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Neeraj
> >
> > > On Oct 7, 4:38 pm, "narendra sisodiya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Never in a time of history, we Indian got a platform to have a common
> > > > things, like language, communication , etc,
> > > > now at the age of Internet and globalization, we Indians are getting
> a
> > > > common platform which is "computer and English" ,
> > > > Localisation of software and their GUIs is again a new "divide and
> rule"
> > > > kind of thing. localisation will keep us divide and never we will be
> able
> > > to
> > > > stand in front of world.
> > > > for example, in my office, if everybody has done their master/BE in
> their
> > > > local language then you can assume how much problems of communication
> we
> > > > will be facing,,
> > > > As a technical point of view, you can assume it like -- microsoft
> create
> > > VB
> > > > and VML, but w3c specify JavaScript and SVG to do the things, so
> > > microsoft
> > > > should make their browser compatible to new standard which are world
> wide
> > > > accepted..
> > > > You can assume English as worldwide standard for communication and
> > > computing
> > > > language. and we should adopt it. If we do not support it, we will
> face
> > > > problems. This is a true fact.
> >
> > > > Please do not give any example of China and France, "they have a
> a
> > > > common agreed communication language" and we have many many language
> > > inside
> > > > country.
> >
> > > > We cannot translate whole Internet to Hindi and Telugu etc, we
> cannot
> > > > translate whole materials, daily we use to get a whole lot of
> software
> > > and
> > > > framework, how much effort will be needed to make it,,,
> >
> > > > Even if we able to make two very high level computer language
> in
> > > Hindi
> > > > and Telugu and by magic many "North + south Indian" are started using
> > > it,,
> > > > Will it be useful,?? to whom we will sell software, ?? why client
> will
> > > take
> > > > them ?? moreover we will be limited in our "golden cage" ,,
> >
> > > > "Please do not recommend Hindi or local language based coding
> to
> > > > anyone or mailing list other wise I will come to your home after some
> > > year
> > > > tell your baby to lean coding in "Hindi / local language" and that
> time,
> > > do
> > > > not stop me" and yes i will bring copy of hindubuntu or telubuntu
> with me
> > > > also,,
> >
> > > > You know for us it will topic does not matter much,, but soon
> > > after
> > > > 2-5 year, may be due to politics, these local language software or
> coding
> > > > have a fair chance to become part of syllabus. that generation will
> > > suffer,,
> >
> > > > Even a child who do not speak English can work and play
> computer,,
> > > So,
> > > > Do you still think that we need Hindi GUI software??
> >
> > > > Yes we need , but only in the limited case ,, and that limited
> case
> > > > where the user is like my papa or mamma,
> >
> > > > But Those software and programming should not be included in
> > > academic
> > > > section, because today every student has basic knowledge of English,
> so
> > > it
> > > > will not be difficult to learn computer,,, But if you teach computers
> and
> > > > programming using Hindi or Telugu GUI software , right from childhood
> ,
> > > they
> > > > will suffer in future
> > > > This is similar to "shifting from window addiction to Linux"
> --
> > > even
> > > > I have addiction of Fedora Linux,, I cannot and do not want to work
> other
> > > > then Fedora.
> >
> > > > But our main talk was, "coding is local language" -- I do not prefer
> this
> > > > idea.
> >
> > > > Please do not spread or work in this idea. If you still
> want
> > > to
> > > > code you can code in local language , you can try out like this,,
> >
> > > > save all '#defines' in separate file to make your code clean,
> >
> > > > #include<iostream>
> > > > using namespace std ;
> > > > # define agar if(
> > > > # define jab_tak_ki {
> > > > # define esa_karo do
> > > > # define shuru {
> > > > # define tab ){
> > > > # define khatam_agar }
> > > > # define pahla_function main
> > > > # define ank int
> > > > # define manlo int
> > > > # define mana_ki int
> > > > # define barabar_ho ==
> > > > # define barabar =
> > > > # define likho cout<<
> > > > # define vapus_chalo return
> >
> > > > ank pahla_function (){
> > > > mana_ki aai barabar 5 ;
> > > > agar aai barabar_ho 5 tab
> > > > likho "ramram dunia\n";
> > > > khatam_agar
> > > > vapus_chalo 0;
> >
> > > > }
> >
> > > > Note : This code will compile without any error on gcc, and will give
> > > > results also,,
> > > > save it as mera_code.cpp
> > > > and try this
> >
> > > > # gcc mera_code.cpp
> > > > # ./a.out
> >
> > > > @phani
> > > > I will try to write all these in my blog,,,
> >
> > -- ...
> >
> > read more »
> >
>
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