On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Narendra Sisodiya >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Kinshuk Sunil < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Kalpana <[email protected]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I feel good regarding meeting. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> We should start to take up various aspect of FOSS in such type of >>> >> >> meeting. >>> >> >> 1 : At ground level >>> >> >> 2 : At organization level >>> >> >> 3 : At Technical level >>> >> >> >>> >> >> We has two presentation in this meeting One is on phython, One is >>> on >>> >> >> Debian. >>> >> >> We all seen as technical person with our specs. That's natural, the >>> >> >> next >>> >> >> step to see at Application level with analysis , i.e. with >>> reference to >>> >> >> student, with reference to profession.....etc.. Make out the points >>> >> >> very >>> >> >> positively which have good out come. >>> >> > >>> >> > some things we should probably focus on: >>> >> > * real life applications of open source tools and technologies; use >>> >> > cases.. >>> >> > * relevance of FOSS for the laymen (non-tech people) and enabling >>> them >>> >> > with >>> >> > FOSS >>> >> > * FOSS at policy level, eg: education >>> >> > * indigenous FOSS projects >>> >> > * hurdles in FOSS implementations and over-coming them. >>> >> > these are some ideas, we should together think of some more. >>> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ...... Guarav tried Koha with Debian and Piyush tried with cent OS. >>> In >>> >> >> spite of taking stand of our experience, here we should share the >>> >> >> experience >>> >> >> to be cooperative. >>> >> > >>> >> > Trust me, I am not holding out against individuals. I am willing to >>> >> > collaborate with my blood and grit, if I can understand what to >>> focus >>> >> > on. I >>> >> > am only asking hard questions, because I am seeking answers - to >>> really >>> >> > contribute and make a difference. >>> >> >>> >> Let me tell you again.. I wrote the term "discussion" a good number of >>> >> times. >>> >> nobody can decide,, community has to decide.. what can be done in "our >>> >> community" meetup and how we can bring more and more >>> >> collaboration/participation in So called "splitted FOSS community of >>> >> NCR" >>> >> >>> > >>> > Yes, i did read it when you published it. And I got that. >>> > I think what we are having here is a discussion only. >>> > So how do we take FOSS from a geek's level to the ground level, where >>> it can >>> > empower and enable the common man ? >>> > Kalpana has a very valid poin there. >>> +++++++++ >>> See I see Crores of student in all over India, They all are going to >>> learn some OS and computer software. >>> I see a future and biggest impact if they all can use GNU/Linux, >>> >> >> there is no use in fools/drones using FOSS. In every FOSS-related event, >> when I stumble across students, I ask them why are you here? Why is FOSS >> relevant to you? And they have no answer. Some want to understand how they >> can make quick money with 'free as in free of cost software', some are there >> completely clueless. Instead of spoon feeding them, I would rather make >> efforts to enable those who ask questions and who can find answers to those >> questions in contributing to FOSS. >> >> Simply installing GNU/Linux on every computer ever made is not the >> solution. >> >> > > Did I ever said so ? Did any of the SchoolOS team member tried to do so ? > > >> Second project I suggest is Spoken Tutorial. Govt has given 40 crore >>> Rupees to promote FOSS using Video/ScreenCast. >>> >> >> Who was the money given to ? What are they doing with it ? >> > > > I already wrote, Create tutorial and get money from IITB - visit - > http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/ or drop a mail to Vivek or Atul or Kannan > Sir. > I went to many govt process and I see a good number of person who try to > promote FOSS but FOSS community never help them. natioanal mission has 40 > Crore Rupee for create a masstive video library on ALL the FOSS-EDU tools on > ALL the IndicLanguage. > If you cannot create video, Just help in translating videos. > If you know industry expert then tell him that his weekend effort can > change a lot. All he need to make a good video out of his experience.. > Only bad thing I observed that this project produce NC-licensed video which > reduce its propagation. Searfh google Why CC-NC is BAD. > > > >> >> >>> These are the two method which can bring change in India a lot and >>> promote FOSS too. >>> Luckly I am associated with both. >>> >> >> And what has been the outcome ? >> > > > How to you define outcome ? > I do not mainain and profit and LOSS statements of community activities. > Will feel insult of myself if I answer this "rotted" question. > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/outcome The word outcome never connotates a financial result. Rotten is the mind, not the question. > > >> >>> >>> ++++++++ >>> >>> >> >> Our FOSS concept is depend up already developed thing. We should >>> thing >>> >> >> little be creative without professional aspect. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On 12/27/2010 06:55 PM, Abhishek Nandakumar wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> To tone down tempers a bit and to reduce the number of emails I'm >>> >> >> getting >>> >> >> about what's essentially a non-issue let me point out that >>> yesterday's >>> >> >> event >>> >> >> was great. Unfortunately though we were still promoting ideologies >>> that >>> >> >> most >>> >> >> of us present there were already pretty aware of. The problem is of >>> >> >> course >>> >> >> that since all of us are beyond that stage and have already decided >>> >> >> what is >>> >> >> good or bad for us, at the end of the day we lacked a sense of >>> >> >> achievement >>> >> >> because what we did was no different from what we do in front of >>> people >>> >> >> who >>> >> >> are unaware about FOSS. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I believe these meetups are good but they need not have a single >>> >> >> direction. A set of people could decide to do one thing, another >>> can >>> >> >> decide >>> >> >> to do another. Each group of people may simultaneously work on >>> >> >> different >>> >> >> things and that could still be called a successful meetup. The aim >>> is >>> >> >> to get >>> >> >> work done. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> When you say we're the people who need to organise an event of the >>> >> >> scale >>> >> >> of FOSS.IN/Freed.in, you're right. But then we don't want that to >>> >> >> simply be >>> >> >> just another random FOSS event where the same things are discussed >>> for >>> >> >> years >>> >> >> together. FOSS goes beyond the small problems that a person would >>> >> >> discuss in >>> >> >> something like a workshop introducing Linux to people. We're all >>> beyond >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> stage. And we probably need someone to remind us. >>> >> > > > -- > ┌─────────────────────────┐ > │ Narendra Sisodiya > │ http://narendrasisodiya.com > └─────────────────────────┘ > > -- > l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm > -- l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm
