On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Narendra Sisodiya >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Kinshuk Sunil < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Kalpana <[email protected]> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I feel good regarding meeting. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We should start to take up various aspect of FOSS in such type of >>>> >> >> meeting. >>>> >> >> 1 : At ground level >>>> >> >> 2 : At organization level >>>> >> >> 3 : At Technical level >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We has two presentation in this meeting One is on phython, One is >>>> on >>>> >> >> Debian. >>>> >> >> We all seen as technical person with our specs. That's natural, >>>> the >>>> >> >> next >>>> >> >> step to see at Application level with analysis , i.e. with >>>> reference to >>>> >> >> student, with reference to profession.....etc.. Make out the >>>> points >>>> >> >> very >>>> >> >> positively which have good out come. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > some things we should probably focus on: >>>> >> > * real life applications of open source tools and technologies; use >>>> >> > cases.. >>>> >> > * relevance of FOSS for the laymen (non-tech people) and enabling >>>> them >>>> >> > with >>>> >> > FOSS >>>> >> > * FOSS at policy level, eg: education >>>> >> > * indigenous FOSS projects >>>> >> > * hurdles in FOSS implementations and over-coming them. >>>> >> > these are some ideas, we should together think of some more. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ...... Guarav tried Koha with Debian and Piyush tried with cent >>>> OS. In >>>> >> >> spite of taking stand of our experience, here we should share the >>>> >> >> experience >>>> >> >> to be cooperative. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Trust me, I am not holding out against individuals. I am willing to >>>> >> > collaborate with my blood and grit, if I can understand what to >>>> focus >>>> >> > on. I >>>> >> > am only asking hard questions, because I am seeking answers - to >>>> really >>>> >> > contribute and make a difference. >>>> >> >>>> >> Let me tell you again.. I wrote the term "discussion" a good number >>>> of >>>> >> times. >>>> >> nobody can decide,, community has to decide.. what can be done in >>>> "our >>>> >> community" meetup and how we can bring more and more >>>> >> collaboration/participation in So called "splitted FOSS community of >>>> >> NCR" >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Yes, i did read it when you published it. And I got that. >>>> > I think what we are having here is a discussion only. >>>> > So how do we take FOSS from a geek's level to the ground level, where >>>> it can >>>> > empower and enable the common man ? >>>> > Kalpana has a very valid poin there. >>>> +++++++++ >>>> See I see Crores of student in all over India, They all are going to >>>> learn some OS and computer software. >>>> I see a future and biggest impact if they all can use GNU/Linux, >>>> >>> >>> there is no use in fools/drones using FOSS. In every FOSS-related event, >>> when I stumble across students, I ask them why are you here? Why is FOSS >>> relevant to you? And they have no answer. Some want to understand how they >>> can make quick money with 'free as in free of cost software', some are there >>> completely clueless. Instead of spoon feeding them, I would rather make >>> efforts to enable those who ask questions and who can find answers to those >>> questions in contributing to FOSS. >>> >>> Simply installing GNU/Linux on every computer ever made is not the >>> solution. >>> >>> >> >> Did I ever said so ? Did any of the SchoolOS team member tried to do so ? >> >> >>> Second project I suggest is Spoken Tutorial. Govt has given 40 crore >>>> Rupees to promote FOSS using Video/ScreenCast. >>>> >>> >>> Who was the money given to ? What are they doing with it ? >>> >> >> >> I already wrote, Create tutorial and get money from IITB - visit - >> http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/ or drop a mail to Vivek or Atul or Kannan >> Sir. >> I went to many govt process and I see a good number of person who try to >> promote FOSS but FOSS community never help them. natioanal mission has 40 >> Crore Rupee for create a masstive video library on ALL the FOSS-EDU tools on >> ALL the IndicLanguage. >> If you cannot create video, Just help in translating videos. >> If you know industry expert then tell him that his weekend effort can >> change a lot. All he need to make a good video out of his experience.. >> Only bad thing I observed that this project produce NC-licensed video >> which reduce its propagation. Searfh google Why CC-NC is BAD. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> These are the two method which can bring change in India a lot and >>>> promote FOSS too. >>>> Luckly I am associated with both. >>>> >>> >>> And what has been the outcome ? >>> >> >> >> How to you define outcome ? >> I do not mainain and profit and LOSS statements of community activities. >> Will feel insult of myself if I answer this "rotted" question. >> > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/outcome > The word outcome never connotates a financial result. Rotten is the mind, > not the question. > > Anyways, Asking outcome is bad... Try asking same question to those guys who are sitting on mailing list and IRC from last 10-15 years that that is the outcome... Most of the guys are here for hobby/interest/passion which cannot be quantify in any ways,, quantifying such thing is very very bad and this will discourage. > >> >>> >>>> >>>> ++++++++ >>>> >>>> >> >> Our FOSS concept is depend up already developed thing. We should >>>> thing >>>> >> >> little be creative without professional aspect. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On 12/27/2010 06:55 PM, Abhishek Nandakumar wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> To tone down tempers a bit and to reduce the number of emails I'm >>>> >> >> getting >>>> >> >> about what's essentially a non-issue let me point out that >>>> yesterday's >>>> >> >> event >>>> >> >> was great. Unfortunately though we were still promoting ideologies >>>> that >>>> >> >> most >>>> >> >> of us present there were already pretty aware of. The problem is >>>> of >>>> >> >> course >>>> >> >> that since all of us are beyond that stage and have already >>>> decided >>>> >> >> what is >>>> >> >> good or bad for us, at the end of the day we lacked a sense of >>>> >> >> achievement >>>> >> >> because what we did was no different from what we do in front of >>>> people >>>> >> >> who >>>> >> >> are unaware about FOSS. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I believe these meetups are good but they need not have a single >>>> >> >> direction. A set of people could decide to do one thing, another >>>> can >>>> >> >> decide >>>> >> >> to do another. Each group of people may simultaneously work on >>>> >> >> different >>>> >> >> things and that could still be called a successful meetup. The aim >>>> is >>>> >> >> to get >>>> >> >> work done. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> When you say we're the people who need to organise an event of the >>>> >> >> scale >>>> >> >> of FOSS.IN/Freed.in, you're right. But then we don't want that to >>>> >> >> simply be >>>> >> >> just another random FOSS event where the same things are discussed >>>> for >>>> >> >> years >>>> >> >> together. FOSS goes beyond the small problems that a person would >>>> >> >> discuss in >>>> >> >> something like a workshop introducing Linux to people. We're all >>>> beyond >>>> >> >> that >>>> >> >> stage. And we probably need someone to remind us. >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ┌─────────────────────────┐ >> │ Narendra Sisodiya >> │ http://narendrasisodiya.com >> └─────────────────────────┘ >> >> -- >> l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm >> > > -- > l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm > -- ┌─────────────────────────┐ │ Narendra Sisodiya │ http://narendrasisodiya.com └─────────────────────────┘ -- l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm
