On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < [email protected]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Kinshuk Sunil <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Kinshuk Sunil >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Kinshuk Sunil < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Narendra Sisodiya >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Kinshuk Sunil < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Kalpana <[email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I feel good regarding meeting. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> We should start to take up various aspect of FOSS in such type of >>>>> >> >> meeting. >>>>> >> >> 1 : At ground level >>>>> >> >> 2 : At organization level >>>>> >> >> 3 : At Technical level >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> We has two presentation in this meeting One is on phython, One is >>>>> on >>>>> >> >> Debian. >>>>> >> >> We all seen as technical person with our specs. That's natural, >>>>> the >>>>> >> >> next >>>>> >> >> step to see at Application level with analysis , i.e. with >>>>> reference to >>>>> >> >> student, with reference to profession.....etc.. Make out the >>>>> points >>>>> >> >> very >>>>> >> >> positively which have good out come. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > some things we should probably focus on: >>>>> >> > * real life applications of open source tools and technologies; >>>>> use >>>>> >> > cases.. >>>>> >> > * relevance of FOSS for the laymen (non-tech people) and enabling >>>>> them >>>>> >> > with >>>>> >> > FOSS >>>>> >> > * FOSS at policy level, eg: education >>>>> >> > * indigenous FOSS projects >>>>> >> > * hurdles in FOSS implementations and over-coming them. >>>>> >> > these are some ideas, we should together think of some more. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> ...... Guarav tried Koha with Debian and Piyush tried with cent >>>>> OS. In >>>>> >> >> spite of taking stand of our experience, here we should share the >>>>> >> >> experience >>>>> >> >> to be cooperative. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Trust me, I am not holding out against individuals. I am willing >>>>> to >>>>> >> > collaborate with my blood and grit, if I can understand what to >>>>> focus >>>>> >> > on. I >>>>> >> > am only asking hard questions, because I am seeking answers - to >>>>> really >>>>> >> > contribute and make a difference. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Let me tell you again.. I wrote the term "discussion" a good number >>>>> of >>>>> >> times. >>>>> >> nobody can decide,, community has to decide.. what can be done in >>>>> "our >>>>> >> community" meetup and how we can bring more and more >>>>> >> collaboration/participation in So called "splitted FOSS community of >>>>> >> NCR" >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, i did read it when you published it. And I got that. >>>>> > I think what we are having here is a discussion only. >>>>> > So how do we take FOSS from a geek's level to the ground level, where >>>>> it can >>>>> > empower and enable the common man ? >>>>> > Kalpana has a very valid poin there. >>>>> +++++++++ >>>>> See I see Crores of student in all over India, They all are going to >>>>> learn some OS and computer software. >>>>> I see a future and biggest impact if they all can use GNU/Linux, >>>>> >>>> >>>> there is no use in fools/drones using FOSS. In every FOSS-related event, >>>> when I stumble across students, I ask them why are you here? Why is FOSS >>>> relevant to you? And they have no answer. Some want to understand how they >>>> can make quick money with 'free as in free of cost software', some are >>>> there >>>> completely clueless. Instead of spoon feeding them, I would rather make >>>> efforts to enable those who ask questions and who can find answers to those >>>> questions in contributing to FOSS. >>>> >>>> Simply installing GNU/Linux on every computer ever made is not the >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Did I ever said so ? Did any of the SchoolOS team member tried to do so >>> ? >>> >>> >>>> Second project I suggest is Spoken Tutorial. Govt has given 40 crore >>>>> Rupees to promote FOSS using Video/ScreenCast. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Who was the money given to ? What are they doing with it ? >>>> >>> >>> >>> I already wrote, Create tutorial and get money from IITB - visit - >>> http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/ or drop a mail to Vivek or Atul or >>> Kannan Sir. >>> I went to many govt process and I see a good number of person who try to >>> promote FOSS but FOSS community never help them. natioanal mission has 40 >>> Crore Rupee for create a masstive video library on ALL the FOSS-EDU tools on >>> ALL the IndicLanguage. >>> If you cannot create video, Just help in translating videos. >>> If you know industry expert then tell him that his weekend effort can >>> change a lot. All he need to make a good video out of his experience.. >>> Only bad thing I observed that this project produce NC-licensed video >>> which reduce its propagation. Searfh google Why CC-NC is BAD. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> These are the two method which can bring change in India a lot and >>>>> promote FOSS too. >>>>> Luckly I am associated with both. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And what has been the outcome ? >>>> >>> >>> >>> How to you define outcome ? >>> I do not mainain and profit and LOSS statements of community activities. >>> Will feel insult of myself if I answer this "rotted" question. >>> >> >> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/outcome >> The word outcome never connotates a financial result. Rotten is the mind, >> not the question. >> >> > > Anyways, Asking outcome is bad... > Try asking same question to those guys who are sitting on mailing list and > IRC from last 10-15 years that that is the outcome... > Most of the guys are here for hobby/interest/passion which cannot be > quantify in any ways,, quantifying such thing is very very bad and this will > discourage. > Are you saying that most people here are for passing time and that hobby/interest/passion will not result in an outcome? Let me give you an example: You created Project Eduvid out of Passion (I assume), this project has 'n' contributors, 'x' users and is solving 'y' issues. While, you did not start with a focus on getting these n, x, and y, they were a consequence of your interest/hobby/passion - that is an outcome. Outcome will always happen due to the very nature of human enterprise. Now it would be an overflow if everyone of us starts listing the outcome of their contributions. But I presume, if there is an outcome, the project is on the right path. Having a specific objective is important. That will help us in planning our efforts and collaborating. > > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++ >>>>> >>>>> >> >> Our FOSS concept is depend up already developed thing. We should >>>>> thing >>>>> >> >> little be creative without professional aspect. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On 12/27/2010 06:55 PM, Abhishek Nandakumar wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> To tone down tempers a bit and to reduce the number of emails I'm >>>>> >> >> getting >>>>> >> >> about what's essentially a non-issue let me point out that >>>>> yesterday's >>>>> >> >> event >>>>> >> >> was great. Unfortunately though we were still promoting >>>>> ideologies that >>>>> >> >> most >>>>> >> >> of us present there were already pretty aware of. The problem is >>>>> of >>>>> >> >> course >>>>> >> >> that since all of us are beyond that stage and have already >>>>> decided >>>>> >> >> what is >>>>> >> >> good or bad for us, at the end of the day we lacked a sense of >>>>> >> >> achievement >>>>> >> >> because what we did was no different from what we do in front of >>>>> people >>>>> >> >> who >>>>> >> >> are unaware about FOSS. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I believe these meetups are good but they need not have a single >>>>> >> >> direction. A set of people could decide to do one thing, another >>>>> can >>>>> >> >> decide >>>>> >> >> to do another. Each group of people may simultaneously work on >>>>> >> >> different >>>>> >> >> things and that could still be called a successful meetup. The >>>>> aim is >>>>> >> >> to get >>>>> >> >> work done. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> When you say we're the people who need to organise an event of >>>>> the >>>>> >> >> scale >>>>> >> >> of FOSS.IN/Freed.in, you're right. But then we don't want that >>>>> to >>>>> >> >> simply be >>>>> >> >> just another random FOSS event where the same things are >>>>> discussed for >>>>> >> >> years >>>>> >> >> together. FOSS goes beyond the small problems that a person would >>>>> >> >> discuss in >>>>> >> >> something like a workshop introducing Linux to people. We're all >>>>> beyond >>>>> >> >> that >>>>> >> >> stage. And we probably need someone to remind us. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ┌─────────────────────────┐ >>> │ Narendra Sisodiya >>> │ http://narendrasisodiya.com >>> └─────────────────────────┘ >>> >>> -- >>> l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm >>> >> >> -- >> l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm >> > > > > -- > ┌─────────────────────────┐ > │ Narendra Sisodiya > │ http://narendrasisodiya.com > └─────────────────────────┘ > > -- > l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm > -- l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm
