On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> wrote:
> look you are going overboard over decisions that normal in a > enterprise/organization. true.But isnt it like: FSUG is an organisation, and ilug-tvm is its imprint. > these decisions are result of deliberation > within the organization, and outside advisors. further theses > decisions are also influenced by the organizational need, its > financial condition etc. The affore said parameters are variables. What if a functionally structured enterprise is born out of FSUG?(not a power hierarchy) Some responders in the list are working admirably on external funds. [and commited performers are already being absorbed by enterprises where ever their policies match] The meaning of your phrase could be read as "FSUG/its like-minded members should never form an enterprise". Why dont you make your construct it as "It would have been great if FSUG could have formed a structured enterprise? Imagine all the active men gets paid (if and only if they are willing for it) for the noble purpose, and they are able to invest time 24x7 in a feild they like to work? Let the men get paid for assigned duty, those who would like to work on their on choices be absorbed as freelancers. Rebels are free to do anything. For it is GNU/GPL. Some elaboration which most of us doesnt need, but i enjoy story telling: we have various classes of vehicles on the road. Trying to bring out an all purpose vehicle as a unified solution is impractical/has limitations.(imagine a hybrid fuel macjine with train cum bicycle cpabilities). But too much diversity could do harm when legislations are made without bounding limits(prooved in history). Here is why setting priorities becomes important. I think 'priorities' is understood as some enforcement? You are interpreted as supporting (7) of the first post? heck you yourself has stated that govt is > going ahead with a custom solution for their purpose Heck = "way of referring to Hell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell> " why does men get this much adrenaline rush on my comments? is it that i am some non-techie? (non-touchee :) ).Non-techies cant stand for anything in FLOSS? being at CCMB you are aware how much tissue you are endangering with the adrenaline rush. Forget that its from me, just consider the logic. Tell me out right that "we dont want to hear this from you, you 'krimi', you F***" and i stops it :) not. which means that > this solution is optimized for their purpose, Question: A solution is proposed, without proper allocation. The usual election propagande way. agree/disagree? is it working? > i repeat their purpose. > these might include customizing the os specific to hardware/software > set to get their job done. for chrissake these systems are meant to do > official job and not for ordinary use such as watching movies. playing > games. > Bad bad attitude of techies that watching movies and playing games are not_for_the_most_adorable_of_them. Arent you playing a first person shooter game at the moment? Look you have succesfully gathered an (+100) sabotage package, which you may percieve as MOAB or SWORD! you are adding men to your Holly Alliance to a strategic game. The more logical you are, the more support your argument get. To state it seriously: The frame work to watch movies, play games are shared for watching news streams and working research/educational simulators. We (who ever it is) doesnt use it for creative purpose means we have set our priorities adorably like that. > still if you are convinced about role of linux in an enterprise just > check out the business model and the client list of companies such as > Redhat, Canonical, IBM etc > So you have made a refernce to a working model. I will certainly try reading on that. I would try to understand their functional objective of providing service in IT sector would match the objectives of end user in Govt sector of Kerala. > > this is how redhat/canonical makes money. they don't sell the os. > instead they charge for the customer support/service. i.e tailoring > the os to meet the customers need. > Converse of theory: The more stupid the base distribution is, the more money they get. (Reading in between lines). Let their buisiness model work. for any sake. Fact: IF a FLOSS company with buisiness ethics propose that 'they rectify the problems of ITC sector of Govt of Kerala' based on FLOSS, they can win it without even 1% of the money M$ spent on Malyasian bureaucracy*. (*as read on internet). > > earlier you were crying foul about lack of support in linux. if you > want good customer support just pay for it or else be content with the > community support with distros which i should say is doing a fine job > under the circumstances > > Remember "there is nothing as free lunch". > If the hotel owner thinks ditributing food for free cures his only daughters disease, the 'customer' gets free lunch. Isolate the customer from the Hotel owner in discussing this system. The customer gets lunch absolutely free. When there are a lot of such hotel owners in the society, and they declare lunch is available for free(or is known), the customer gets lunch free 365 & 1/4. The kerala farmer survey on why individuals TUX, may be put to scrutiny to get an answer. I am not comparing the ideology behind FLOSS to the above stupid reason. Its an easy grab and a comparitively simple system. We have a reason, Humanity. And the tendency to fight againsit what is percieved as anti human. Forgive me, there is lot of noise, either you can deal with core issues or pour some aviation turbine fluid into the noise. > > > On May 17, 4:43 pm, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in > > > educational > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user > > > choose' > > > > > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have > > > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements. > > > > @Bipin, Unfortunately, I cant imagine user 'Govt' sitting in front of a > boot > > screen. I can think about end users only.Govt is the decision maker and > > enforcer. > > Could it be very wrong, if somebody says Govt asked a group of people, > and > > they made this mistake of instructing govt to use the specific distro in > > administrative wings? Consider the frequency of breakdowns as evident in > > this mailing list itself. Some end users are not comfortable with current > > framework to support FLOSS. What would be the recommendation if Govt > gives > > the people an opportunity regarding improvement of FLOSS and support > frame > > work? This opportunity is always there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 11:52 am, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Problem: > > > > 1)Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in > educational > > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user > > > choose' > > > > [Fact, context] > > > > 2)Software providers in the field of GNU/Linux does not create it to > be > > > > compatible with every distro/OS version[Fact] > > > > 3)Additional softwares/updates need to be installed for specific > > > > purposes,[Fact] > > > > 4)Current GNU/Linux systems has a high risk of breaking without > warning, > > > > when softwares profile is changed[Fact] > > > > 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and associated systems does not > have > > > > enough professisonal functionality** because of comparitively > > > low-perfoming > > > > professional softwares in FOSS arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main > > > > context of thread] > > > > > > **apart from server side/embedded/mobile technologies in case of (5) > > > > > > ............................... > > > > As a key player in FOSS in Kerala, what would be FSUG-TVM priority? > > > (please > > > > select more than one if necessary) > > > > 6)Give thrust on supporting the Distro and version the state has > > > > adopted(ubuntu), as specifically biased support could help boost its > > > spread. > > > > 7)Answer every possible querry in FLOSS, based on individual > MailingList > > > > members interest. > > > > 8)Support any other distro [one or more] : schoolOS, Mint,debian, > RedHat, > > > > Fedora, Slackware, ArtistX, Novell, .. ..n > > > > 9)Strongly plead the govt for investing heavily in developing > > > professional > > > > GNU/Linux and compatible software systems(mainly owing to reason 5) > > > > 10)Strongly plead the Govt to support heavily in user-developer > > > > communication systems, as it is necessary to rectify break downs(read > > > along > > > > with 4) > > > > 11)Get into long term contract ( financial aid ) with Mac / Win owing > to > > > > thier international success in providing professional software > > > compatibility > > > > :D > > > > 12)Get into long term contract with professional application > providers > > > > (Adobe, Avid, Apple... etc) owing to thier international success in > > > > providing professional software compatibility > > > > 13)Get into long term contract with FOSS software providers as this > would > > > > explode possibilities in near future, eventhough not right now. > > > > 11)something else. > > > > > > .................................. > > > > -- > > > > > > #////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > # > > > > "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" > > > > Leonardo da Vinci > > > > > > #////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > # > > > > > > -- > > > > "Freedom is the only law". > > > > "Freedom Unplugged"http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > > > > To control your subscription visithttp:// > > > groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > For details visit the google group page: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > > > > > -- > > > "Freedom is the only law". > > > "Freedom Unplugged" > > >http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > > > To control your subscription visit > > >http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > > > For details visit the google group page: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > > > > -- > > > > > #////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > # > > "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" > > Leonardo da Vinci > > > #////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > # > > > > -- > > "Freedom is the only law". > > "Freedom Unplugged"http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > > To control your subscription visithttp:// > groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > -- #//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////# "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo da Vinci #//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////# -- "Freedom is the only law". 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