"> 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in > educational > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user > choose' > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements. "
its quite obvious from the above post that by organization i am referring to the govt of kerala hence rest of the following statement in quotes don't require further explanation > "I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :( since I had stressed upon about fsug priorities, i thought its fsug. and pls gimme a clause in it which was not also applicable to fsug! " > "yup. now i would put defense reserach, and research laboratories.Holy cows.I have seen MACs in IISC. we read about the budget in news papers.(am supportng ur view" really now its quite obvious that you want hear that only really like to hear and see what you like to see. this post began with your statement that the govt of Kerala has opted of custom GNU/Liinux for their administrative purposes & educational system(i.e the public education system which mainly involves the schools) now where does defense research and other R&D comes in this context, will you please explain. now regarding use of macs and other expensive stuff IISc or other R&D institutes, one of which i happen to work, have you any idea regarding the computational need in an R&D lab. just to give an example three dimensional reconstruction of protein structure in my institute is done using an SGI workstation because no other platform cuts it. you want us wait for the day when such technology becomes available in other affordable platforms? i merely state that hardware/software solutions for an enterprise are made on a case to case basis as per the organizations needs and financial priorities, and not on a idealogical basis. you cannot thrust your favourite distro as it is into the throats of an organization. However open source community can help the government in taking intelligent decision while deploying an ICT infrastructure. > "yeah. so any proposal on how to tackle with this situation? make Linux customer support under Govt? make FOSS ultimatum under govt support in a very transparent way ? " now this is an example of the kind of journalism we see nowadays. rather than reacting to the whole statement you are making comment on the basis of a part of my argument and not the complete one. any sane man reading through this post is going to have serious doubts regarding your motives. anyway why should government should tackle such a problem? as per our constitution government can interfere in the activities of a business only if they are suspected/found to commit malpractices under the law and not at the whims and fancies of a person. do you have any proof to the effect that corporations such as Redhat is giving substandard products/services in order to boost their profits, then by all means go ahead and sue them or make those proof public so that we ignorants become enlightened. Till then its innocent until proven guilty. > "Again, the holy cow is ignored. Resaerch eats national income in chunks. No complaints, would like to hear ther is a lot of FOSS adopted in it." now this is getting personal and the holy cow expression not humouring me in this context put it this way i have a laptop which have brought from my fellowship. this fellowship isn't anyone's gift or dole, rather i have earned it and you personally know how difficult is to get one. so its my prerogative that what i do with my system and your comments are not welcome in that matter in a public forum. i am aware of the fact that fellowship is awarded to me by the country in the hope of me doing something constructive to society and to that extend i will do whatever i can. however my personal life is not hostage to that fact an hardware/software solution brought using taxpayers money by the government for governance purpose should only be used for that purpose alone and not for playing games by kids of some [public servant, if they want to do that they can buy their own stuff from their salary. on the lighter note do us a favour will you? read through your lengthy statements twice before posting. its getting very difficult make sense out of those statements, i can do better job making sense from some journal articles On May 17, 11:24 pm, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > > Seriously you dont know what you are posting do you? > > > do a google search and learn about enterprise wide IT deployment > > process. better some people in this group might be able to spoon feed > > it to you in a way you understand > > > the word organization here refers to the govt and not fsug or ilug-tvm > > or al-qaeda for that matter. > > I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :( > since I had stressed upon about fsug priorities, i thought its fsug. and pls > gimme a clause in it which was not also applicable to fsug! > > > > > they have their needs and might have consulted with peoples, and i > > hope some of them might be from the community as well thats all the > > fsug has to do with that decision and since its the govt decision > > maybe you can file an RTI to know about actual variables they took in > > to their decision making process and then come back here and discuss > > the merits and demerits of the aforesaid solution, rather than > > shooting in the dark > > When i am shooting into ilug tvm, i dont think its shooting into dark. there > could be some men interestd. > > > > > there is something you have to get into thick skull, the hardware/ > > software procured by the government is supposed to do only one thing > > which is to run the governance related applications(accounting, > > inventory etc) and not any other frivolous stuff. the employees will > > be trained to run those apps at the taxpayer's(which btw includes you > > as well) expense. > > yup. now i would put defense reserach, and research laboratories.Holy cows.I > have seen MACs in IISC. we read about the budget in news papers.(am > supportng ur view) > > > further you claim that business model of linux based companies is > > based on a flawed premise that, Linux is user-unfriendly and hence > > there is requirement of customer support which they are milking for > > their commercial purpose. > > yeah. so any proposal on how to tackle with this situation? make Linux > customer support under Govt? make FOSS ultimatum under govt support in a > very transparent way ? > > > > > > > by the same logic the other OS supposedly > > user friendly options are then literally ripping off the customers. > > first you have to pay exorbitant amounts as licensing, deploy > > expensive hardware and pay substantial amounts of money as maintenance > > and support fees annually > > > i will give you an example, assuming the hardware cost being > > same(maybe Rs. 00 for arguments sake) the cost of deploying SLED (this > > includes OS, basic set of office applications and other productivity > > tools, security framework etc) was around 7500 Rs per pc per year > > excluding hardware, now if you are to deploy MS Vista/win7 > > enterprise(under MS EULA one cannot install any other version of > > winOSs in commercial platform i.e anything above 25 pcs) you will have > > to pay around the same amount for the OS alone, add to that price for > > a enterprise wide security solution(same as earlier no retail version > > allowed in commercial platforms) along with other required softwares. > > now to use OSX you have to buy an relatively expensive hardware > > platform just to have access to it. further if MS/apple decide to > > cease support for a particular os version you will have shell out > > additional amounts in terms of upgrading the hardware alone or else > > you will be stuck with outdated and EOL solution. further the apps you > > deployed on them might not be compatible to the newer os platform. > > this is one the main reasons many organization are not upgrading from > > win xp to vista/win7 despite MS pleas/ads. It is educating for you to > > read about IE6 debacle that many organization face now. > > Sure, admirable wealth of data. this would certainly help. > > > > > now leave aside your personal tastes, idiosyncrasies and use the > > commonsense and tell us which is better investment of taxpayer’s > > money aka your money > > Thanks for the statement. This would have given earlier, but now it came > with a wealth of statistics. > > > > > what i do with my hardware/software is my concern alone, whether i > > play fps, rts or watch porn because i have paid for it with my hard > > earned money. the govt/people's money is put into ICT for doing the > > sole task of governance and nothing else as stated earlier. you want > > to be creative buy your stuff, don't do it on common man's expense. > > Again, the holy cow is ignored. Resaerch eats national income in chunks. No > complaints, would like to hear ther is a lot of FOSS adopted in it. > > > > > one point to add there is already a working linux based solution > > deployed in public educational system called the i...@school GNU/Linux > > if you haven't heard of. it is basically a customized debian distro as > > far as i can gather from my tinkering with it. and it is working fine > > till date with help of community support i might add. there is enough > > opportunity for students to explore their creativity etc in that > > platform. > > The student thingy described above was the after-schooling problem. They do > have more than enough to explore, and the freedom to take it to any height. > good. They remain in FOSS or migrate to some other > platform?http://www.freelists.org/archive/schoolgnu/04-2010is the community i > think. > i has 4 posts for the last month, only one technical issue. either its not > working, or its near perfect. > > Akshaya system is another, which practically still runs mostly on > proprietory system. > > the only drawback i see are the luck of sufficient amount of> hardware to > ensure optimal access for students, lack of content in > > local languages which i should say is being addressed. > > > now to the last part. if someone is providing free good lunch for you, > > fine go and have it by all means. If you don’t like it you have the > > option of not going again, there is no compulsion. you cant be prickly > > about the amount of salt in the sambar etc > > game over for me :( jaaabba! some MOAB fell on my head! > > > > > bipin > > danku! that was constructive. > > > > > ps: posted from my win7/ubuntu lucid laptop :-) > > > On May 17, 7:50 pm, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > look you are going overboard over decisions that normal in a > > > > enterprise/organization. > > > > true.But isnt it like: FSUG is an organisation, and ilug-tvm is its > > > imprint. > > > > > these decisions are result of deliberation > > > > within the organization, and outside advisors. further theses > > > > decisions are also influenced by the organizational need, its > > > > financial condition etc. > > > > The affore said parameters are variables. What if a functionally > > structured > > > enterprise is born out of FSUG?(not a power hierarchy) Some responders > > in > > > the list are working admirably on external funds. [and commited > > performers > > > are already being absorbed by enterprises where ever their policies > > match] > > > The meaning of your phrase could be read as "FSUG/its like-minded members > > > should never form an enterprise". Why dont you make your construct it as > > "It > > > would have been great if FSUG could have formed a structured enterprise? > > > > Imagine all the active men gets paid (if and only if they are willing for > > > it) for the noble purpose, and they are able to invest time 24x7 in a > > feild > > > they like to work? Let the men get paid for assigned duty, those who > > would > > > like to work on their on choices be absorbed as freelancers. Rebels are > > free > > > to do anything. For it is GNU/GPL. > > > > Some elaboration which most of us doesnt need, but i enjoy story telling: > > we > > > have various classes of vehicles on the road. Trying to bring out an all > > > purpose vehicle as a unified solution is impractical/has > > > limitations.(imagine a hybrid fuel macjine with train cum bicycle > > > cpabilities). But too much diversity could do harm when legislations are > > > made without bounding limits(prooved in history). Here is why setting > > > priorities becomes important. I think 'priorities' is understood as some > > > enforcement? > > > > You are interpreted as supporting (7) of the first post? > > > > heck you yourself has stated that govt is > > > > > going ahead with a custom solution for their purpose > > > > Heck = "way of referring to Hell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell> " > > why > > > does men get this much adrenaline rush on my comments? is it that i am > > some > > > non-techie? (non-touchee :) ).Non-techies cant stand for anything in > > FLOSS? > > > being at CCMB you are aware how much tissue you are endangering with the > > > adrenaline rush. Forget that its from me, just consider the logic. > > > > Tell me out right that "we dont want to hear this from you, you 'krimi', > > you > > > F***" and i stops it :) not. > > > > which means that > > > > > this solution is optimized for their purpose, > > > > Question: A solution is proposed, without proper allocation. The usual > > > election propagande way. agree/disagree? is it working? > > > > > i repeat their purpose. > > > > these might include customizing the os specific to hardware/software > > > > set to get their job done. for chrissake these systems are meant to do > > > > official job and not for ordinary use such as watching movies. playing > > > > games. > > > > Bad bad attitude of techies that watching movies and playing games are > > > not_for_the_most_adorable_of_them. > > > Arent you playing a first person shooter game at the moment? Look you > > have > > > succesfully gathered an (+100) sabotage package, which you may percieve > > as > > > MOAB or SWORD! you are adding men to your Holly Alliance to a strategic > > > game. The more logical you are, the more support your argument get. > > > > To state it seriously: The frame work to watch movies, play games are > > ... > > read more » -- "Freedom is the only law". 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