"Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into mention? Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know instances where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still there, and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy counts."
yes it is wrong because as per your initial statement the government was going in for custom GNU/Linux distro for adminstrative purposes. this means running day to day governance activities. Now you can't get simpler explanation for that. hence for the aforesaid purpose a custom linux solution is a good choice. simply put, it just have to run those governance apps and not your favourite video editing apps. now to the latter part of the statement. regarding r&d majority of these institutes operates as autonomous bodies i.e central government do not interfere in day to day activities. all that central govt can do is set the guideline is such way that ICT deployment in such institutions provide lowest possible TCO(total cost of ownership) "Majority of the reaserch are human, but we have a lot of instances where there are investments for totaly illogical research [for example those involving field release of GMO food] Do you say that all resaerch in India is in good motive? I can give you a number of instances in State/Central academic and research institutes. Shud I stop commenting on research institutes, for the reason that you are in a reserach field? Thanks and admirable that you are maintaining an above normal moral value. " this forum is not place to discuss the merits and demerits of r&d going on in our country. we can debate over it in another place some other time. On May 18, 6:27 am, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > > "> 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in > > > educational > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user > > > choose' > > > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have > > > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements. " > > > its quite obvious from the above post that by organization i am > > referring to the govt of kerala hence rest of the following statement > > in quotes don't require further explanation > > > > "I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :( > > since I had stressed upon about fsug priorities, i thought its fsug. > > and pls > > gimme a clause in it which was not also applicable to fsug! " > > > > "yup. now i would put defense reserach, and research laboratories.Holy > > cows.I > > have seen MACs in IISC. we read about the budget in news papers.(am > > supportng ur view" > > > really now its quite obvious that you want hear that only really like > > to hear and see what you like to see. > > This is not what i like to see. Its a hard fact.Doesnt PC offer the similiar > performance at similiar cost? I dont think many reasearch softwares are > there specific to MAC platform. Ther are a lot of media based, which are > highly ranked among professionals. > > > > > this post began with your statement that the govt of Kerala has opted > > of custom GNU/Liinux for their administrative purposes & educational > > system(i.e the public education system which mainly involves the > > schools) > > > now where does defense research and other R&D comes in this context, > > will you please explain. > > Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into mention? > Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know instances > where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still there, > and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like > installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are > supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy counts. > > > now regarding use of macs and other expensive > > stuff IISc or other R&D institutes, one of which i happen to work, > > have you any idea regarding the computational need in an R&D lab. just > > to give an example three dimensional reconstruction of protein > > structure in my institute is done using an SGI workstation because no > > other platform cuts it. > > Please release the spec? No FOSS platform cuts it?It would be worth to see > some discussion on it. > > > you want us wait for the day when such > > technology becomes available in other affordable platforms? > > This is a good question, which i am not sure is directed to me or into the > dark space you called? > You are making a comment about the current capabilities of Linux. > > > > > i merely state that hardware/software solutions for an enterprise are > > made on a case to case basis as per the organizations needs and > > financial priorities, and not on a idealogical basis. > > FOSS is an ideology based initiative,in which 'open' is the most outstanding > innovation.Not "free" as in "Free Lunch" > And FOSS working out, and approved as POC. It should be considered where > ever possible, when making decisions. > > > > > you cannot thrust your favourite distro as it is into the throats of > > an organization. > > Man did i say so?can you state any one distro which i pushed? > We have n number of distros, of which we have top ranked ones. I would like > development concentarted in one or more selected distors, That it matures > fast, and can be released to the population(I too benefit from it) I asked > which ones would be the better ones. > > > However open source community can help the government > > in taking intelligent decision while deploying an ICT infrastructure. > > > > "yeah. so any proposal on how to tackle with this situation? make Linux > > customer support under Govt? make FOSS ultimatum under govt support in > > a > > very transparent way ? " > > > now this is an example of the kind of journalism we see nowadays. > > rather than reacting to the whole statement you are making comment on > > the basis of a part of my argument and not the complete one. any sane > > man reading through this post is going to have serious doubts > > regarding your motives. > > What is the complete argument? the first one you made reagrding government, > looked like "everything except funding for hardware is ok". I dont take it > that way, as i personally saw the problems. My cousine runs an Akshaya > center, i used to attend classes arranged for Linux instead of him and this > class was shared by school teachers. I know the magnitude of problems that > came out in that class. > > Regarding my motive, I already said it wud be good to give more priority to > increasing userfriendliness.It helps spread, spreading helps users. > > I dont exactly know the state of Linux,( My personal understanding is that > linux desktop is much more prone to break down, when the software profile is > changed. Its a linear cycle of breaks and make-agains, once you decide to > change software profile. I think no professional would afford it, unless he > has time for it,and fully capable of the repair workflow in all its ways. > > anyway why should government should tackle > > > such a problem? as per our constitution government can interfere in > > the activities of a business only if they are suspected/found to > > commit malpractices under the law and not at the whims and fancies of > > a person. > > I shoud keep silence on what i percieve as imperfectness? Law is not static, > its ammended based on peoples cry. discussing it in forum is bad? > > > do you have any proof to the effect that corporations such > > as Redhat is giving substandard products/services in order to boost > > their profits, then by all means go ahead and sue them or make those > > proof public so that we ignorants become enlightened. Till then its > > innocent until proven guilty. > > RedHat sells distro. And I never said RedHat. why did you specifically say > RedHat? > I stated a possibility.I have the right to. > 'Standard products which are not servicable even by skilled user' is a > situation in field. At times, it is restricted to company service personnal, > which can be clearly shown to be under extra-profit motive. > > Consider, the problem presented by Vyshak yesterday. Ubuntu doesnot provide > a default root password. there is only a complicated way of achieving it. Is > it a standard practice or a substandard practice?Linux Mint doesnt behave > this way, and it doest suffer anything worse. opinions may vary. > > > > > > "Again, the holy cow is ignored. Resaerch eats national income in chunks. > > No > > complaints, would like to hear ther is a lot of FOSS adopted in it." > > > now this is getting personal and the holy cow expression not humouring > > me in this context > > Holy cow / sacred cow is an expression used against anything which is immune > to criticism. > Majority of the reaserch are human, but we have a lot of instances where > there are investments for totaly illogical research [for example those > involving field release of GMO food] > > > put it this way i have a laptop which have brought from my fellowship. > > this fellowship isn't anyone's gift or dole, rather i have earned it > > and you personally know how difficult is to get one. so its my > > prerogative that what i do with my system and your comments are not > > welcome in that matter in a public forum. > > When did i say something like that man?Off course I know how difficult it > is! You have any conscience problem with how you spend your salary, you deal > with it. Ask any reader of this thread wether any of communication contained > any indication on something like this. Why did you put that on my head? I > have never felt this stressed,reading the ML. > > Do you say that all resaerch in India is in good motive? I can give you a > number of instances in State/Central academic and research institutes. Shud > I stop commenting on research institutes, for the reason that you are in a > reserach field? Thanks and admirable that you are maintaining an above > normal moral value. > > i am aware of the fact that > > > fellowship is awarded to me by the country in the hope of me doing > > something constructive to society and to that extend i will do > > whatever i can. > > we are sure you will. > > > however my personal life is not hostage to that fact > > an hardware/software solution brought using taxpayers money by the > > government for governance purpose should only be used for that purpose > > alone and not for playing games by kids of some [public servant, if > > they want to do that they can buy their own stuff from their salary. > > > I think the complexity is humorously used against my text going crippled? > > on the lighter note do us a favour will you? read through your lengthy > > statements twice before posting. its getting very difficult make sense > > out of those statements, i can do better job making sense from some > > journal articles > > Yeah. I am not continuing any discussion associated with thoughts related to > FOSS, especially in any open forums. I am not putting this on you, you may > not answer this particular sentance. Just that I think I am doing more harm > than good. > > On May 17, 11:24 pm, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, bipin kumar <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Seriously you dont know what you are posting do you? > > > > > do a google search and learn about enterprise wide IT deployment > > > > process. better some people in this group might be able to spoon feed > > > > it to you in a way you understand > > > > > the word organization here refers to the govt and not fsug or ilug-tvm > > > > or al-qaeda for that matter. > > > > I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :( > > > since I had stressed upon about > > ... > > read more » -- "Freedom is the only law". 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