On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is nothing that requires it, no. But then, we are not
>> talking about requirements, we are talking about whether Ubuntu fits
>> into the free software ecosystem, instead of leeching off it.
>>
>
> How you can define free software ecosystem as just developing and
> coding ?, I don`t really seems the point here, According to me Free
> Software Ecosystem is much much more than that.
In that case, you have your own personal definition of what a
free software community is. The FSF, Greg, Me, and Debian at large
differ.
>> The intent is not to narrowly compare commercial free software;
>> the idea is to see if Ubuntu does indeed fit the model of a good free
>> software citizen.
>>
>
> The level to which Ubuntu has brought Free OS I see at as a true Free
> sofware citizen. Please try coming out of *code* mentality and see
> more sight of a development ecosystem.
Without the "Code" mentality you have, as my NYC bretheren would
phrase is, bupkiss.
>> They do not report bugs, and they do not pass their fixes
>> upstream -- which is worse. As a specific example, fixes to my
>> code ought to being fed back to me (ucf, kernel-package, etc) -- just
>> like I feed back changes to my upstream using _their_ preferred means
>> of communications.
>
>> The way things with changes are that if you make changes,
>> you pass them to the upstream developer, using their preferred means of
>> communication: that mean you use their mailing lists, their bug
>> tracking system, rebasing the changes to hteir release, and not mixing
>> in your own rebrancding changes or changes upstream made that you
>> cherry picked into one giant diff kept behind a locked door in the
>> basement with the words "Beware of the leopard" on the locked door.
>>
>
> Crazy idea , That means if i want to start a company or make a new OS
> , I need to go through 1000 bugzilla looking at bug fixes and putting
> my quality time there , Not practical
Only if you want to be a full memmber of the free software
community. Not all of us put the love of money over the free software
methodology, thankfully.
>>
>> Yes. Launchpad is not free.
>>
>
> Can you download the propieratery distribution link of Launchpad ?
> Pass me the link if you find it
Do your own goddam research. Look for tyhe license that
launchpad is distributed under, and see if it is a free software
license.
>>> Isn't there a commitment from Canonical to open source it? Why don't
>>> you go ask other companies provide online services to the community to
>>> open source their server software? Quite a few of those come to mind!
>>
>> All of the server software Debian uses to provide services
>> (including debbugs) are free software.
>>
>
> And that makes Ubuntu evil, Cmmon !
In some ways, yes.
>>
>> That they lie about contributing back to Debian, hen they do not.
>
> What makes you think that, Look at mark`s blog and you will find
> various posts explaining. Or look at mails above it`s well defined by
> Parthan
Excuses aside, it is still not free software. Micorsoft has all
kinds of reasons why Office is not free. I don't think the reasons are
wrong, or insignificant.
At the end of the day, non-fre software is non-fre software.
manoj
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