Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS - blacklist not the answer

[Patrick Mathews]

i have 12 email accounts. i'm not your average dialup user. i'm an admin, as such i know that if i can't unsubscribe, even before i get the bounce msg, i know that i tried to unsub from the wrong account.  most dialups are relative newbies with less than 10 years experience.  in fact, what i see is that most ADMINS are relative newbies with less than 10 years experience, but that's not the point. people don't look at headers. that's what keeps the newbie spammer in business.  don't worry about all the experienced spammers, worry that someone is busy creating an army of throwaway zombie spammers who firstly, don't even know what spam is, and secondly are rooked into it by the promise of easy cash. those are impossible to deal with, because you're TOSsing your new business: if you're a SERVICE billing is your lifeblood, attrition is your dread disease. an ISP's middle name is SERVICE.   the customer is not always right. the customer needs my expertise, but doesn't act needy the customer is usually clueless the customer expects me to do their work for them whether or not i'm contractually liable for this or that particular deliverable. i have to refuse in a way that keeps them coming back for what i DO provide. the customer must ALWAYS be satisfied,   hangon... here's a brain fart in brooklynese:   waddamy sayin ova heah?  da clyinte iz my brednbutta. i neva won a fight wit da clyint, see? dey got all da aces. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Lohr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 03:18 PM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS - blacklist not the answer The last thing I want to say/ask about this is when you have a large mailing list are some people so stupid as to not know how to type unsubscribe.  I have halted all mailings from my list until such point i can remove these people manually.  I am trying but getting frustrated.  I have heard of some list administrators just keep sending the list mail to people until they get it right.  Am I the only one who feels "Hey you're the idiot who signed up get yourself off if you like!" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jon Beets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:58:56 -0500 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barry Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 AM >Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS - blacklist not the answer > > >> As sure as someone has an email address they're gonna get junk mail. >> >> I get junk mail sent to me at my home address too, if it's not mail that's >> been posted its a flier put through the door. >> >> I can only speak for myself but I like to make my own choices.  Spam is a >> nuisance but all I have to do is hit delete and it's gone >> >> It is fundamentally wrong for somebody other than a mail recipient to >decide >> whether the mail recipient should or shouldn't receive an email. >> >> What I really can't stand is when I get blocked from sending my members >> their newsletter (which they have opted-in for) because somebody notices >> that i'm sending a newsletter to 4/5000 people on their domain.  In actual >> fact my members are University Students and I do have up to 10,000 members >> at some unis.  Instead of trying to contact me they just block mail from >my >> domain so not only do my members not get their newsletter but everyone at >> that uni can't receive any emails from any of their friends who use our >> email service. >> >> That's fundamentally wrong. >> >> That's all I've got to say about that, didn't mean to rub anyone up the >> wrong way. >> >> Does anyone else agree with me? >> >> - >> Barry > > >Yes I agree with you.. I myself dont use a filter for my email.. However I >do make a filter available for my home and business customers.. Some use it >and some dont... > >Jon > > >Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >to be removed from this list. > >An Archive of this list is available at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >   ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at lohrtech.com                      Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/