----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:06
PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
i have 12 email
accounts. i'm not your average dialup user. i'm an admin, as such i know that
if i can't unsubscribe, even before i get the bounce msg, i know that i tried
to unsub from the wrong account. most dialups are relative newbies with
less than 10 years experience. in fact, what i see is that most ADMINS
are relative newbies with less than 10 years experience, but that's not the
point. people don't look at headers. that's what keeps the newbie spammer in
business. don't worry about all the experienced spammers, worry that
someone is busy creating an army of throwaway zombie spammers who firstly,
don't even know what spam is, and secondly are rooked into it by the promise
of easy cash. those are impossible to deal with, because you're TOSsing your
new business: if you're a SERVICE billing is your lifeblood, attrition is your
dread disease. an ISP's middle name is SERVICE.
the customer is not
always right.
the customer needs my
expertise, but doesn't act needy
the customer is usually
clueless
the customer expects me
to do their work for them
whether or not i'm
contractually liable for this or that particular deliverable. i have to refuse
in a way that keeps them coming back for what i DO
provide.
the customer must ALWAYS
be satisfied,
hangon... here's a brain
fart in brooklynese:
waddamy sayin ova
heah? da clyinte iz my brednbutta. i neva won a fight wit da clyint,
see? dey got all da aces.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 03:18
PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
The last thing I want to say/ask about this is when you have
a large mailing list are some people so stupid as to not know how to type
unsubscribe. I have halted all mailings from my list until such point
i can remove these people manually. I am trying but getting
frustrated. I have heard of some list administrators just keep sending
the list mail to people until they get it right. Am I the only one who
feels "Hey you're the idiot who signed up get yourself off if you
like!"
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From: "Jon Beets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:
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Date:
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:58:56 -0500
>
>----- Original Message
-----
>From: "Barry Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent:
Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
>
>
>> As sure as someone has
an email address they're gonna get junk mail.
>>
>> I get
junk mail sent to me at my home address too, if it's not mail
that's
>> been posted its a flier put through the
door.
>>
>> I can only speak for myself but I like to make
my own choices. Spam is a
>> nuisance but all I have to do is
hit delete and it's gone
>>
>> It is fundamentally wrong
for somebody other than a mail recipient to
>decide
>>
whether the mail recipient should or shouldn't receive an
email.
>>
>> What I really can't stand is when I get
blocked from sending my members
>> their newsletter (which they
have opted-in for) because somebody notices
>> that i'm sending a
newsletter to 4/5000 people on their domain. In actual
>>
fact my members are University Students and I do have up to 10,000
members
>> at some unis. Instead of trying to contact me they
just block mail from
>my
>> domain so not only do my members
not get their newsletter but everyone at
>> that uni can't receive
any emails from any of their friends who use our
>> email
service.
>>
>> That's fundamentally
wrong.
>>
>> That's all I've got to say about that, didn't
mean to rub anyone up the
>> wrong way.
>>
>>
Does anyone else agree with me?
>>
>> -
>>
Barry
>
>
>Yes I agree with you.. I myself dont use a
filter for my email.. However I
>do make a filter available for my
home and business customers.. Some use it
>and some
dont...
>
>Jon
>
>
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