----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:06
PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
i have 12 email
accounts. i'm not your average dialup user. i'm an admin, as such i know
that if i can't unsubscribe, even before i get the bounce msg, i know that i
tried to unsub from the wrong account. most dialups are relative
newbies with less than 10 years experience. in fact, what i see is
that most ADMINS are relative newbies with less than 10 years experience,
but that's not the point. people don't look at headers. that's what keeps
the newbie spammer in business. don't worry about all the experienced
spammers, worry that someone is busy creating an army of throwaway zombie
spammers who firstly, don't even know what spam is, and secondly are rooked
into it by the promise of easy cash. those are impossible to deal with,
because you're TOSsing your new business: if you're a SERVICE billing is
your lifeblood, attrition is your dread disease. an ISP's middle name is
SERVICE.
the customer is not
always right.
the customer needs my
expertise, but doesn't act needy
the customer is
usually clueless
the customer expects
me to do their work for them
whether or not i'm
contractually liable for this or that particular deliverable. i have to
refuse in a way that keeps them coming back for what i DO
provide.
the customer must
ALWAYS be satisfied,
hangon... here's a
brain fart in brooklynese:
waddamy sayin ova
heah? da clyinte iz my brednbutta. i neva won a fight wit da clyint,
see? dey got all da aces.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 03:18
PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
The last thing I want to say/ask about this is when you
have a large mailing list are some people so stupid as to not know how to
type unsubscribe. I have halted all mailings from my list until such
point i can remove these people manually. I am trying but getting
frustrated. I have heard of some list administrators just keep
sending the list mail to people until they get it right. Am I the
only one who feels "Hey you're the idiot who signed up get yourself off if
you like!"
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From: "Jon Beets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:
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Date:
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:58:56 -0500
>
>----- Original Message
-----
>From: "Barry Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent:
Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS -
blacklist not the answer
>
>
>> As sure as someone
has an email address they're gonna get junk mail.
>>
>>
I get junk mail sent to me at my home address too, if it's not mail
that's
>> been posted its a flier put through the
door.
>>
>> I can only speak for myself but I like to
make my own choices. Spam is a
>> nuisance but all I have
to do is hit delete and it's gone
>>
>> It is
fundamentally wrong for somebody other than a mail recipient
to
>decide
>> whether the mail recipient should or
shouldn't receive an email.
>>
>> What I really can't
stand is when I get blocked from sending my members
>> their
newsletter (which they have opted-in for) because somebody
notices
>> that i'm sending a newsletter to 4/5000 people on
their domain. In actual
>> fact my members are University
Students and I do have up to 10,000 members
>> at some
unis. Instead of trying to contact me they just block mail
from
>my
>> domain so not only do my members not get their
newsletter but everyone at
>> that uni can't receive any emails
from any of their friends who use our
>> email
service.
>>
>> That's fundamentally
wrong.
>>
>> That's all I've got to say about that,
didn't mean to rub anyone up the
>> wrong
way.
>>
>> Does anyone else agree with
me?
>>
>> -
>> Barry
>
>
>Yes
I agree with you.. I myself dont use a filter for my email.. However
I
>do make a filter available for my home and business customers..
Some use it
>and some
dont...
>
>Jon
>
>
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