Well I throw out a quick testimony.  This week 2 days ago - in a very
rushed situation I was able to set-up Declude Anti-Virus with our
existing McAfee NetShield and also Declude JunkMail filter very quickly.
So far it has caught about 50-100 infected e-mails trying to pass
through our mail server, and blocked at least a few hundred Spam mails.
We host about 70 domain e-mail accounts on the machine for various
clients, as well as our stuff.  Not all Spam caught 100%, but only 2-4
Spams a day is a whole lot better than the usual 20-40 we were
receiving!  I am one happy camper and looking forward to tweaking the
products some more when I can free up some time. Right now I am pretty
much just studying and analyzing the log files Declude creates so I can
determine my next steps. I shopped around and the products are very
fairly priced.  I am also going to most likely set-up the IMGate in the
near future.  I strongly recommend Declude, especially based on the
great support I received you will get your monies worth.

Regards,

Don Schreiner
CompBiz, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Declude


>I understand somewhat what Declude is, but there doesn t seem to be
much 
>detail on it on the website. I m confused why this is so much better
than 
>the IMail filters

It's not so much "better" than the IMail filters, just different.  The 
IMail filters do exactly what they claim to, but some people find it
easier 
to have someone else do the work (listing mail servers that are sending 
spam).  You'll find that there's no perfect answer to spam detection.

You can also go to http://www.declude.com/spamtrap.htm to get a good
idea 
of why people use Declude.  It is constantly updated, and shows the last
20 
spams to arrive in our spamtraps, along with which test(s) they failed,
if 
any.  Right now, it shows that all 20 spams failed at least one test,
and 
that 18 of them (90%) have a "weight" of at least 10 (our new weighting 
system is unique, and should virtually eliminate false positives).

>, AND it seems that $295/$495 is a bit out of line for a spam filter.

FYI, MailShield is $4,995.  If you find other comparable products for a 
similar price, please feel free to E-mail me, I would be interested in 
knowing about them.  If you find any anti-spam products that allow you
to 
override the default settings for users (or domains) that don't want
spam 
filtering, or want different settings, I would be interested in knowing 
that as well.

>Could someone enlighten me here about why this is THE answer, and why
it 
>is worth what they are charging.

I'll let others comment here, as my opinion about the product and its
value 
is going to be at least somewhat biased.

>  Does the cost include updates for a year ?  How are update performed,
etc.

Yes, the price does include free updates and support for a full year.
You 
can download new versions from our web site any time you like; it
usually 
just requires replacing the main .exe file.

                                                    -Scott
---
Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for 
IMail.  http://www.declude.com


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