> hmm, not for ipswitch. but it is for lyris and lsoft and mailsite.

I was talking about the selling power to the software developer. WM/WC
have  brought  a  lot more press and customer attention than IMAILSRV,
and  no,  I  don't  think that a whizbang IMAILSRV would have done the
same thing!

> I think these two areas swamps for mail admins.

Not  my point--they're great cost justifiers, even if they turn out to
be  support  swamps.  And  it  all  depends  on how well you meter and
control  growth (as you'll see below, I agree that WM/WC are insane as
loss leaders).

>  The   amount   of   support,  bugs,  troubles,  mime,  attachments,
> templates,  browsers,  huge  mailboxes, huge increase in CPU+RAM for
> webmail,  general  like  of scaleability, and then ice that cake (or
> put  a  dense fog on that swamp) with users interfacing to the whole
> mess, and you've added a ton of extra work+costs vs pop access.

Again,  I'm not talking about webmail as a revenue generator--that is,
I  agree,  insane.  I'm talking about the SMB market, for whom it is a
justifiable  hook  and  for  whom,  especially  with  recent stability
enhancements, it is a Good Buy.

> and somebody here wanted to charge users for POP service!  Pay them to use 
> POP rather than webmail.  :))

I agree completely.

> Notice that the big outfits use free webmail as a "traffic builder".
> I'd  really  like  to  see  the costs for hotmail and yahoo freemail
> operations vs how much revenue can be attributed to them. I bet they
> are  all losing money, big time. and wish TH they could get out from
> under it.

I  bet  MS doesn't lose any sleep (not to say the expense isn't beyond
what  they'd hoped), since Hotmail has made MS indispensable to a much
larger  group  of  slaves  than they had before. You're probably right
about Yahoo!.

-Sandy



































-Sandy


> Len


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