The catching MTA (AOL in this thread) has no way to know whether or not a given 
message originated from you or was "relayed" by you.
It can't know (at least not without independent testing) if you're an open relay or 
not.  This is the risk you take if you relay
(forward) the mail.

While I'm sure Declude is a fine product (haven't used it but lots of folks here swear 
by it) it suffers the same limitation as any
"after the fact" filtering/testing product and that is simply that the message has 
been accepted and the SMTP session with the
sending MTA is over.  Personally, I feel that a gateway that can perform various tests 
-during- the smtp session is a better
approach, simply because there are a number of points in the session that a rejection 
can be issued to the sending MTA.  That's not
to say that after-the-fact products like Declude don't have value, they certainly do, 
because some testing may take too long or may
be too resource intensive to take place during the session, or because the catching 
MTA wants to perform more granular tests and
review suspect messages.  IMail does not provide the message to Declude (or do any of 
it's own testing) until after the SMTP session
is over, so there is no way to reject the way you want.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lyndon Eaton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] AOL - Reverse DNS Rejections


> If an IP is sourcing spam, it's guilty, and has no grounds for
complaining

I still don't agree if the client has requested we forward mail to his
AOL account.


> and has no grounds for complaining when another MX blocks it as spam.

I'm not complaining that its blocking the email - I wish Imail/Declude
had a REJECT action at the SMTP level before accepting an email so that
I could implement it. I'm simply saying that its not on for AOL to
blacklist us if we were to forward a spam to these users.

For the record, we haven't been blacklisted by AOL - I'm talking
hypothetically.


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