No, we are not talking about a DDos attack. Lycos is not attempting to use up the resources of the spammers website.
of course they are. Not ALL 100%, not a total DoS, but eating 85% of the b/w is a denial of service.
Rather they are looking at consuming a considerable portion of those resources.
aka, denying (quality of) service.
By the statistics they are showing it appears they may have set that threshold at 85%.
pretty severe, but why not nuke em totally? Since when do spammers have such civilized regard for our MXs or for the general operation of Internet?
No, the picket anaolgy still holds because this is an organized protests with what appear to be "reasonable" rules and safeguards put in place.
Since when does "reasonable" apply to an all out war that we legit users and all of internet have been losing for years?
This is nothing like some miscreant hi-jacking unwitting web surfers machines to launch an attack against a "innocent" victim, but rather a coordinated protests against demonstrated law (rule) breakers
Exactly. It's a defensive, reactive COUNTER-attack targetted specifically at the attackers. Point their own DDoS weapons back at them and nuke em!
Therefore, if another site (or two, or three) starts doing the same thing then Lycos would merely throttle back the amount of packets they are sending at it to keep the the target site at 85% saturation.
But if the other counter-attackers consume over 85% by themselves, Lycos' "nice" participation is marginalized, irrelevant.
That of course does not address the issue if someone else does the same thing and is not as "reasonable" as Lycos is being in allowing the site to continue to have 15% of capacity to continue their operations. Certainly sounds like Len would be in favor of the 100% attack
yep, nuke em.
that he is accusing Lycos of doing (and which they are not).
I don't "accuse" Lycos of any crime or misbehavior.
85% is "nice" number that might work, but the websites are still functioning in the service of spammers. Why be nice to spammers?
hmm, 85% is roughly the %age of SMTP traffic that is spam.
Len
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