Serge, As a new person trying to understand the OSM community and culture, I find this more confusing though it is insightful in and of itself.
-Carol ------------------------------------- Carol Kraemer North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 404.431.0125 [email protected] On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Serge Wroclawski <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > In light of recent activity, and frankly because we've had a large > influx of new members (especially new members from the OSM US board) > join the group in the last 3 days, I want to go over this group's > history, its mission and its scope. > > For anyone who hasn't seen the talk I gave in San Fransisco, I > strongly suggest you watch my video on the topic of the group: > > > http://stateofthemap.us/saturday.html#schedule/saturday/the-u-s--imports-and-bots-oh-my > > Basically, when we started this group, "import" was a bad word in OSM. > It was something that senior OSMers frowned upon, and there was a very > combative atmosphere even on the imports@osm mailing list. > > I realized that this needed to change, that we needed imports, but > that the problems being pointed out were serious and needed > addressing. To that end, I decided that we'd make a new mailing list, > and have face to face meetings. That second part, the face to face > meetings, has been crucial. It has entirely shifted the tone of the > discussions in many cases. > > And the results have been good, I think. > > But what folks may not realize (and I may not be making clear) is the > very limited scope of the group within the OSM ecosystem. We're not > the same as the imports@osm list and we don't supersede it. > > We also don't have control over the import guidelines. We can offer > our help in changing them, but we can't control them or override them. > We're like a neighborhood watch, we can work with, but never override > the police. > > And so what is this latest draft? It's something that came out of the > discussion at last week's meeting where the osm.us site would have an > import onramp process, one which needed to be both welcoming and > warning at the same time. > > So I've clearly not done a good job at conveying that, but also we > (this group) has no control over the DWG- outside offering our help in > order to change the process- and we have discussed doing that. But we > discussed doing that in small stages. Maybe, as Alex suggests, we > should take that on first, but that's something I'd like to discuss > first, before we act. > > I hope this has cleared confusion, if there was any. > > - Serge > > _______________________________________________ > Imports-us mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports-us >
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