On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:38 PM, PJ Houser <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > First, let me say that ESRI has been great regarding the OSM Editor. I > contacted them with our problems, they responded within minutes, and now > we're working together on determining if our problems are operator-based or > editor-based.
Tom, I'm going to remove the cross post in this discussion and keep the discussion on the imports list, but I have some questions about the issues you've brought up that maybe you can help me understand. > We encountered 5 main problems: > > 1) Revision table does not explicitly store all changes, especially node > modifications. > -using the topology edit tool (with all of the OSM layers taking place in > the topology) > -selecting a point (node), moving that item, only indirectly moving the > edge. The node would move (and move its connected ways along) whether it was > attached to only one way or to multiple ways. This is the expected behavior in OSM. A node, when moved, will effect all ways/relations that have it as a member. What behavior were you expecting? (I'll expound on this more later in the mail). > 4) Performance speed of downloading data - RESOLVED. > FIX: > Download speed is intentionally optimized for older machines. Testing never > went beyond 150MB/s > DOCUMENTATION: > Should include expected minutes/MB for download. Are > > 5) Moving ways creates new nodes without deleting old ones. - RESOLVED > FIX: > Actually an OSM anomaly resulting from peculiarities of one-layer data > model. When editing in ArcMap (if we ever decide to do this), good to know > when it's more efficient to move existing nodes vs creating new ones by > moving way and deleting existing nodes. > DOCUMENTATION: > should mention that line edits won't follow expectations for vector data > model (points lines polygons) > > By the way, our machines run Windows XP and have Intel Core 2 Quad CPU and 4 > GB of RAM. We use ArcMap 10 with SP 1 installed, ArcView license. > > Tom, as for your issue, did you give OSM time to update their tiles? For > some of our edits, we had to wait at least 10 minutes for them to show up at > openstreetmap.org, and even then, some of the tiles hadn't been updated. > Otherwise, it sounds like you might be having a similar problem to us. After > you upload, check the revision table. See if anything is written in it. As > far as I was able to understand, the revision table should have something in > it if your changes registered. > > I am going to forward this email to our ESRI contact, by the way. > > -- > PJ Houser > Trimet > GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Tom Ponte <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> PJ, >> >> >> >> I would be interested in what kind of “significant problems” you had with >> the ArcMap extension if it is not too much trouble. It might save myself and >> others some time and effort trying to figure out what are operator issues >> and what are software issues. I have been working with that extension and >> recently tried to convert some roads to trails and add a boundary for a >> small BLM wilderness area as a test. The extension said the upload was >> successful but nothing showed up in OSM. If you are worried about being >> exiled to Los Angles for listing the significant problems with the ESRI >> extension you could email me directly. >> >> >> >> I will be looking forward to seeing your updated workflow. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Tom Ponte >> >> GIS Analyst >> >> 541 419-2113 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> From: PJ Houser [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:30 PM >> To: Dave Hansen >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] TriMet will begin OSM improvements in the >> Portland area >> >> >> >> Hi Dave & Talk-US & Imports, >> >> We decided against using Trimet in our name since as Richard pointed out, >> OSM is a collection of individuals. This is us right now. I will let you >> know if we change our names. Should we include RLIS (the data source) in our >> user names? We are all using our personal emails, so we have kept everything >> really informal so far. >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PJ%20Houser >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/betsy >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mele%20Sax-Barnett >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Grant Humphries >> >> And our workflow is changing a lot since we ran into significant problems >> with ArcMap OSMEditor, though we are working with ESRI to improve the >> editor. I hope to send an updated workflow really soon for input! Not many >> changes to OSM have been done because we are still trying things out. >> >> But most importantly, all changes are being done one at a time. Nothing is >> bulk. Every change is done "by hand". I am doing my best to make sure nobody >> else's hard work is overwritten or deleted! >> -- >> PJ Houser >> Trimet, GIS >> >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Dave Hansen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:28 -0800, PJ Houser wrote: >> > OSM User Names: TriMet_PJH, TriMet_MSB, TriMet_GNH, TriMet_BB >> >> Hi PJ, >> >> I was just looking for your user pages so I could spy on your >> improvements: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TriMet_BB >> >> for instance. Did you end up using some different usernames, or have >> you just not created them yet? >> >> -- Dave >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Imports mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > > _______________________________________________ Imports mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
