Hello, (from France — in case this can help to be considered neutral. And, fortunately, able to understand written Latin-derived Catalan language)
It is quite sad to see that an official letter in Catalan language could not be understood and recognized by the global OSM Community, apparently, so far. A sentence from the scanned original official authorization letter explicitly states: « Therefore, the information can be integrated into OpenStreetMap cartography […] » It is quite strange that this quite crucial sentence is currently missing from all three « transcriptions » in the Wiki (Català, Español, English)… Maybe this explains the misunderstanding? I also take this opportunity to remind that even virtual (on-line) « endangering of other people », whether negligent or deliberate, (using wording from French Code Pénal — assuming equivalent notions also exist in other legislations) is liable to legal action. Take good care of yourself, and of Others in the measure of your possibilities. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem http://twitter.com/jgVisov Le 16/03/2020 à 18:40, Lanxana . a écrit : > Hi, > we discussed the import in Telegram groups, and then write to the > lists. That's why times may have overlapped. > > All the task will be revised, you can, if you want. > > An user can have >1000 editions and his user_imports account only 10. > It's less expert for this? > > All the pharmacies listed in the dataset are dispensing prescription > drugs. Only the parapharmacies (not included in the dataset) would > not. We don't know why another added dispensing=no to pharmacies. May > be using non-spanhish recipes? Can I buy a prescription drug in France > with my Spanish prescription, or would I have to go to a French doctor > to send me a French prescription? I say then that the French pharmacy > does not sell prescription drugs, and add dispensing=no? > > Finally, we could have done the import without giving explanations, > without changesets or dedicated users, but we opted to, as far as > possible, respond to community concerns to help, and follow the OSM > import guidelines. > > If you see fit, reverse all changes, they are well identified. But I > wonder how many imports are being made without the community knowing ... > > El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las 18:08, Frederik Ramm (<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>) escribió: > > Hi, > > On 2020-03-15 10:35, Lanxana . wrote: > > We set our goal in emergency services, and more specifically in > > pharmacies. We have had express permission for a long time to > reuse the > > official data, but the import has not been carried out yet. In a > short > > time we have prepared the project and its management through the > Task > > Manager, that allows coordinate and verify the tasks. > > Please do not use the current health issue as an excuse to circumvent > usual processes in OSM. You can't let the import task sit around > forever > and then rush it through "because health crisis". > > > The import basically consists of verifying the data of the > pharmacies > > already mapped (address and contact details) and adding those > that are > > not, and will be done by expert mappers, with several hours and > years > > behind us, and with experience in both map editing and HOT projects. > > It appears to me that most of the import is being done by one single > user named "jlinfante_import". I would like to know what this mapper > maps apart from imports, but they haven't written anything in his user > profile that would point to their normal account. > > > Although we know that it is not the usual procedure, given the > urgency > > Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy > is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task because you > sit at home with nothing else to do. > > > after discussing it with the Spanish > > community (Spanish discussion list > > > > <http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html>) > > This is a "discussion" that was started 24 hours before you wrote that > message claiming you "have discussed it", and the "community" you > discussed it with was two people. (Also I notice that many edits to > pharmacies have been made even before that message to the Spanish > list, > e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419 - it appears > that > you first set up the task and then thought about it later!) > > This is a parody of an import process - it's almost like the "PEOPLE > WILL DIE!!!!" imports we saw from HOT in their early days, which > thankfully have made way for a more diligent approach. > > > we have decided to start it without delay. > > Rushed decisions like this have the potential to harm OSM, and in > principle the import should be reverted purely on the basis of > neglecting long-established procedure. We don't want everyone else to > "help" by starting some other remotely health-related import in their > country "because crisis". > > Looking at the data in detail, I was struck by some changesets that > carry your tags but make other edits > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1), others > that have an "operator" tag that has the name of the pharmacist in > all-capital letters > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972) and > the occasional replacement of a "dispensing=no" with a > "dispensing=yes" > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history) - are you > *absolutely* sure that the original mapper was wrong in manually > adding > "dispensing=no", or are you just overwriting that on a whim? > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > Imports mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > > > _______________________________________________ > Imports mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports -- “Corruption is the abuse of entrusted power for private gain.” Transparency International https://www.transparency.org/whatwedo/publication/preventing_corruption_in_humanitarian_operations
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