Hi Doug,

V út, 10. 07. 2007 v 17:18, Doug Scott píše:
> Milan Jurik wrote:
> > OK, please, can you identify these problems, fill RFE and/or implement
> > them? Or just guide how to use RBAC is missing? sudo can have some
> > significant benefits in functionality/interface, from which we should
> > learn.
> The problem I had was with Solaris 9, and probably be probably fixed in 
> Solaris 10 using privs. Though this does not help a site which has a 
> mixture of Solaris 8-10, and some variety of Linux. They would probably 
> still standardise on sudo. I think we need to be absolutely sure that 
> RBAC can perfectly replace sudo before we call sudo rubbish.
> 

Did I call sudo rubbish? In that case, I'm sorry. But why sudo should be
the key part of Indiana? Because there are some heterogeneous networks
with Linux and Solaris together? Admins can download sudo from
repositories, if they really want. Improve packaging management and core
system, not quantity of bundled tools.

> >  I don't know, I never used sudo in my 10 years with Linux. But
> > I'm using RBAC, much better for me as desktop user.
> >   
> 
> I do not disagree that RBAC is better at the end of the day. I just do 
> not see the need to exclude something that will take up almost not space 
> on the CD, and lose potential Solaris converts due to it's exclusion.
> 

There are thousands small tools which take up almost not space on the
CD. And I don't really believe that somebody will ignore Solaris just
because sudo is not bundled with Indiana.

> > And yes, this discussion is strange, it is about simple small tools, not
> > about real OS and its ways.
> >   
> Yes, we could have written a sudo clone (or RBAC for Linux) with the 
> effort that has gone into the discussion :)
> 

Of course :-) Do you need sudo interface (I don't)? Do it. Or download
sudo from repositories, as you are doing now, I think.

Btw. did you count also with maintaining the second tool in the core
distribution?

And my e-mails weren't just only about "sudo case". It was about
clonning and duplication.

Best regards,

Milan

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