Satish ji, Code has no provisions for guiding us whether all species should be placed in Cassia, or those with all ten fertile stamens under Senna. Code also has no control over whether taxonomic synonyms like C. glauca and C. surattensis should be treated as synonyms or distinct species, or else else distinct subspecies within same species. Code here helps us how to choose names.
We would be better placed to follow GRIN, Kew World checklist, and our consensus, when database is updated. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: "satish pardeshi" <[email protected]> To: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]>; "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:17505] Re: Fw: [indiantreepix:17454] Re: ... Cassia ¿ species ? Hello Dinesh Ji i say that Cassia is preffered over Senna please visit following link http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?9339 it is the rules and articles of ICBN-International code of Botanical Nomenclature that decides the accepted names of a genus or a species or a family. there are many articles of the code and the plant name which is validly published as on 1 may 1753 were considered valid and correct. however there were many ammendements done the outsoming were mentioned as code. the latest of which is Vienna 2005. if a plant name or a genus is (not validly) published then that the later name of the same plant or the genus which is validly published (at an later date) is given priority over the previously not validly published name. thats why we have two or more names of same plants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Botanical_Nomenclature http://www.bgbm.org/iapt/nomenclature/code/default.htm http://www.bgbm.org/iapt/nomenclature/code/SaintLouis/0000St.Luistitle.htm regards Satish Pardeshi On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Dinesh Valke<[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks, Satish ji, for validating the ID and providing its specifics. > Current accepted name would be Senna surattensis (as Tabish has already > pointed earlier in this thread). > > How do we follow current accepted names in India ? > Is there any body in India which regulates / maintains such information > and > knowledge ? > If there is, does it imply that there would be chance that a species is > known by different names across the world, at any given time ? > > Please respond only at your leisure. > > Regards. > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hello all >> it is >> Cassia glauca Lamk., Encyclop. Meth. Bot. 1: 647, 1785; Baker in >> Hook.f., Fl. Brit. Ind. 2: 265, 1879; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 453, >> 1958 (Repr.); Almeida, Fl. Mah. 2: 179, 1998. >> Synonyms: Senna sulphurea (DC. ex Collard) Irwin and Barneby in Mem. >> New York Bot. Gard. 35(1): 78, 1982; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 244, >> 2005. C. surattensis Burm. f. ssp. glauca (Lamk.) K. & S. Larsen, Fl. >> C.L.V. 18: 102, 1980; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 1: 790, 1996. C. >> arborescens Vahl, Symb. Bot. 3: 56, 1794. C. sulphurea DC ex Collad. >> Hist. Nat. Med. Casses 84, 1816. Robinia javanica Burm. f. Fl. Ind. >> 163, 1768 (non C. javanica L., 1753). Senna arborescens Roxb. Fl. Ind. >> 2: 345, 1832. C. fastigiata Vahl. Symb. 3: 57, 1974. >> Common names: Karud, Motha-tarved. >> >> C. surattensis is a synonym of C. glauca. >> the pod with a beak at the other end is one of a diagnosing character >> very important diagnosing character is ALL 10 STAMENS ARE FERTILE. >> stalked glands present on the rachis at lowermost 2-3 pairs of >> leaflets >> >> i hope this may clear the doubts abt ID. >> >> Regards >> Satish Pardeshi >> >> On Sep 3, 7:29 am, Nayan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Sorry Gurcharan Singh ji, troubling you, in the other thread of the >> > same >> > topic i came to know that new name of Cassia glauca is Senna >> > surattensis, >> > my confusion is now clear. >> > thanks >> > N.S.Dungriyal IFS >> > Chief Conservator of Forests >> > and Field Director >> > Satpura Tiger Reserve Hoshangabad >> > M.P. >> > 09424792100 >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> > From: Nayan Singh <[email protected]> >> > To: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> > >> > Cc: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thursday, 3 September, 2009 7:22:22 AM >> > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17454] Re: ... Cassia ¿ species ? >> > >> > Gurcharan ji yesterday i id it as Cassia glauca, but some how it is >> > missing in the thread, what do you think about my this wild guess? >> > thanks >> > N.S.Dungriyal IFS >> > Chief Conservator of Forests >> > and Field Director >> > Satpura Tiger Reserve Hoshangabad >> > M.P. >> > 09424792100 >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> > To: Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>; Kenneth Greby >> > <[email protected]> >> > Cc: Indian Tree Pix <[email protected]>; Dinesh Valke >> > <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thursday, 3 September, 2009 12:19:53 AM >> > Subject: [indiantreepix:17454] Re: ... Cassia ¿ species ? >> > >> > Not Cassia fistula atleast which has distinctive cylindrical long pods. >> > This >> > one seems more probably C. surratensis, the only thing that looks >> > different >> > to me is the thin long stalk of pod. The specimens in our garden don't >> > have >> > such long stalks. Leaves and flowers resemble. >> > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College >> > University of Delhi, Delhi >> > Indiahttp://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Yazdy Palia" <[email protected]> >> > To: "Kenneth Greby" <[email protected]> >> > Cc: "Indian Tree Pix" <[email protected]>; "Dinesh Valke" >> > <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:11 PM >> > Subject: [indiantreepix:17443] Re: ... Cassia ¿ species ? >> > >> > Hello friends, >> > could it be cassia fistula? Please check >> > uphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shower_Tree >> > Regards >> > Yazdy. >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Kenneth Greby<[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > Dinesh-- >> > >> > > I don't believe that this is Senna spectabilis (Syn S. excelsa, S. >> > > carnaval) due to the flattened seedpods. S. spectabilis has roundish >> > > to >> > > squared (in cross-section) pods with some muscilage present. >> > >> > > This looks closer to S. surattensis, but I am not positive of that >> > > ID. >> > >> > > Regards-- >> > > Ken Greby. >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> > > Subject: [indiantreepix:17425] ... Cassia ¿ species ? >> > > To: "Indian Tree Pix" <[email protected]> >> > > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 11:20 AM >> > >> > > Hello friends, >> > >> > > A large shrub of Cassia planted along an avenue near Yeoor Hills, >> > > photos >> > > taken on 22 AUG 09. >> > >> > > My friend Ajinkya Gadave has already commented in Flickr about this >> > > plant >> > > to >> > > be Cassia spectabilis. >> > > Please validate ID. >> > >> > > Regards. >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Love Cricket? 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