Thanks Ushadi Yes It can't be G. victoriae in which leaves are unidivided In fact there are three groups of Grevillea species 1. Those with simple leaves: G. victoriae, G. juniperina, G. lanigera 2. Leaves bipinnatifid as in G. robusta, 3. Leaves pinnatifid or pinnatisect as in G. banksii. To me Aarti ji's plant looks like G. banksii 'Superb'
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > Dr Munshi > Its not g. victoriae > both the leaves and the inflorescence are very different.. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevillea_victoriae > > lots of differences > > usha di > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Prof Munshi Ji, >> Thank you Sir for appreciation and suggested id. >> Regards, >> Aarti >> >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Abid Munshi <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Khale >>> The photograph uploaded is beauiful >>> Most of the species of Grevillea being grown in California are hybrids >>> but it seems the photograph is G. victoria >>> Prof. A. H. Munshi >>> >>> On 24 December 2014 at 09:58, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Usha Di, >>>> I have attached all the pictures I had. >>>> Unfortunately, don't have any more details to reply about. >>>> How I am suppose to take the measurements would be anybody's guess, >>>> since it would be a guess only. >>>> How am I suppose to study the flowering season of an ornamental I have >>>> come across in a sight seeing trip? >>>> I really wish I had the answers and could help you further. >>>> Thanks for taking such a lot of interest in this Grevillea. >>>> For me, I am happy to identify it as a Grevillea Species Cultivar. >>>> Good day and regards, >>>> Aarti >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:28 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, I too look forward to Aarti Ji's feedback. >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any new thoughts >>>>>> >>>>>> Gargji please dont mark this as complete >>>>>> >>>>>> we dont have an answer from Aarti yet >>>>>> >>>>>> usha di >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks Surajit for clarifying >>>>>>> it was not clear to me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> now Aarti has work to do, let see what come up in the measurement >>>>>>> >>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:17 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Didi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "a search for its ("superb") leaf and comparing other details like >>>>>>>> inflo size, flowering season (throughout year) may help go further" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The above means I have rather requested Aarti Ji to check leaf >>>>>>>> images and verify if those stats on inflo-leaves etc (of superb) do >>>>>>>> conform >>>>>>>> with her species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Surajit >>>>>>>>> how did you measure the inflorescence size? several pictures are >>>>>>>>> at an angle, not parallel to the inflorescence , so size ca n not be >>>>>>>>> determines=d one picture may be used but how? no reference object >>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>> pen, a ruler a coin or a finger etc is present... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> only match is flowering in late summer and fall... but that's in >>>>>>>>> australian queensland fall... >>>>>>>>> i dont have time to compare and find the temperature humidity and >>>>>>>>> rains etc in queensland and compare it to southern california inland >>>>>>>>> areas >>>>>>>>> .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:43 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good morning Didi, since you have already suggested a possibility >>>>>>>>>> I also thought of *G.* "superb", a search for its ("superb") >>>>>>>>>> leaf and comparing other details like inflo size, flowering season >>>>>>>>>> (throughout year) may help go further. Of-course that would be a >>>>>>>>>> probability only. >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit >>>>>>>>>>> wonderful that you found and shared these links... >>>>>>>>>>> if one peruses these it becomes obvious that many sp and many >>>>>>>>>>> many more cultivars are being studied by these groups.. >>>>>>>>>>> yes there at least one and one comes across a few more very >>>>>>>>>>> active study groups of exotics , not to mention university level >>>>>>>>>>> groups to >>>>>>>>>>> study and id these ... with live specimen in hand and often if not >>>>>>>>>>> live, >>>>>>>>>>> superb close ups all aspects of the plants and flowers and >>>>>>>>>>> dissections... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Aarti: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the fifth pic , but it dos not tell me the plant size >>>>>>>>>>> and details of the leaves etc... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am happy with Grevillea sp, cultivar .... >>>>>>>>>>> questions that arise with any plant and esp here with so many >>>>>>>>>>> cultivars out there... >>>>>>>>>>> what is the shape of the plant, how tall, what does the stem >>>>>>>>>>> and bark look like, branching, leaves details, and then flower >>>>>>>>>>> spike/inflorescence ... size etc... >>>>>>>>>>> I am not even sure of the color..is it pink? is it red? is it >>>>>>>>>>> orange? is it orangeish red? digital cameras do a number with >>>>>>>>>>> some red >>>>>>>>>>> colored flowers and leaves ... ... unless we also take a reference >>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>> with us and photograph it along with red its often difficult ... >>>>>>>>>>> esp out >>>>>>>>>>> under the open sky... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> now the question is : which do i pick from these ps pics above >>>>>>>>>>> taken in a hurry: which cultivar??? >>>>>>>>>>> ..".ned kelly", "superb",, or "robyn gordon", cultivars or is >>>>>>>>>>> it g. juniperina? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> its a difficult task , you'll agree when you see and read the >>>>>>>>>>> difficulties in nailing the diagnosis based on these pictures >>>>>>>>>>> only.... >>>>>>>>>>> imagine the intense scrutiny the study group undertakes... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There were many cultivars in australia already and then i can >>>>>>>>>>> imagine all the cultivars developed since it became popular in >>>>>>>>>>> american >>>>>>>>>>> southwest... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *my final diagnosis is red flowering cultivar of Grevillea sp.* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am glad you showed these and it will be in the database in >>>>>>>>>>> indiatreepix as an australian plant, and in this day and age of all >>>>>>>>>>> xeriscaping plants finding a place in international growers lists, >>>>>>>>>>> it may >>>>>>>>>>> come to india like the artichokes, kiwi, avocado etc etc have .. >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>> knows..it may be a start of another conversation.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but today this is as far i am willing to go based on the data we >>>>>>>>>>> have. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> iti... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Aarti S. Khale < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>> It does look like my Grevillea. >>>>>>>>>>>> Let the experts decide, since I am not one. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:41 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for an interesting unknown exotica, this pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sgapqld.org.au/growing_grevilleas.pdf> and article >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/best-grevilleas-for-southern-california/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>> along with http://anpsa.org.au/g-super1.html may help. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole plant? ht ?? etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its mind boggling to say the least... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grevillea_cultivars >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A small tree, hardly 10 feet in height cultivated in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> garden overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grevillea banksii comes to my mind on searching further. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many different colors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought G. robusta only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> G. lanigera, G. juniperina, are displayed as small shrubs in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging baskets in Farmers markets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am not so sure of the diagnosis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its just not three >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many many are sold esp in california >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggested id. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could locate one more picture, giving an idea of the small >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Aarti S. 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