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but one thing I can tell you is 'Superb' means its a cultivar... of whatever the lineage... enough already... usha di On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks that it has been settled finally. But, my question is - Is G. > banksii 'Superb' same as Grevillea 'Superb'? > If yes, next question - > Why is it G. banksii 'Superb'? > Why not *G. bipinnatifida* 'Superb'? > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Gurcharan Ji, >> Thanks for the distinguishing features of the leaves of Grevillea, and >> the id of my pictures based on these features. >> No >> Thanks a lot once again. >> Usha Di, >> No travel plans as of now, will let you know if there are any. >> >> Regards, >> Aarti >> >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Ushadi >>> Yes It can't be G. victoriae in which leaves are unidivided >>> In fact there are three groups of Grevillea species >>> 1. Those with simple leaves: G. victoriae, G. juniperina, G. lanigera >>> 2. Leaves bipinnatifid as in G. robusta, >>> 3. Leaves pinnatifid or pinnatisect as in G. banksii. To me Aarti ji's >>> plant looks like G. banksii 'Superb' >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dr Munshi >>>> Its not g. victoriae >>>> both the leaves and the inflorescence are very different.. >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevillea_victoriae >>>> >>>> lots of differences >>>> >>>> usha di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Prof Munshi Ji, >>>>> Thank you Sir for appreciation and suggested id. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Aarti >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Abid Munshi <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Khale >>>>>> The photograph uploaded is beauiful >>>>>> Most of the species of Grevillea being grown in California are >>>>>> hybrids but it seems the photograph is G. victoria >>>>>> Prof. A. H. Munshi >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 December 2014 at 09:58, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Usha Di, >>>>>>> I have attached all the pictures I had. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, don't have any more details to reply about. >>>>>>> How I am suppose to take the measurements would be anybody's guess, >>>>>>> since it would be a guess only. >>>>>>> How am I suppose to study the flowering season of an ornamental I >>>>>>> have come across in a sight seeing trip? >>>>>>> I really wish I had the answers and could help you further. >>>>>>> Thanks for taking such a lot of interest in this Grevillea. >>>>>>> For me, I am happy to identify it as a Grevillea Species Cultivar. >>>>>>> Good day and regards, >>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:28 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I too look forward to Aarti Ji's feedback. >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any new thoughts >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gargji please dont mark this as complete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> we dont have an answer from Aarti yet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks Surajit for clarifying >>>>>>>>>> it was not clear to me >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> now Aarti has work to do, let see what come up in the measurement >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:17 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Didi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "a search for its ("superb") leaf and comparing other details >>>>>>>>>>> like inflo size, flowering season (throughout year) may help go >>>>>>>>>>> further" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The above means I have rather requested Aarti Ji to check leaf >>>>>>>>>>> images and verify if those stats on inflo-leaves etc (of superb) do >>>>>>>>>>> conform >>>>>>>>>>> with her species. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> how did you measure the inflorescence size? several pictures >>>>>>>>>>>> are at an angle, not parallel to the inflorescence , so size ca n >>>>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>>>> determines=d one picture may be used but how? no reference object >>>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>>> pen, a ruler a coin or a finger etc is present... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only match is flowering in late summer and fall... but that's >>>>>>>>>>>> in australian queensland fall... >>>>>>>>>>>> i dont have time to compare and find the temperature humidity >>>>>>>>>>>> and rains etc in queensland and compare it to southern california >>>>>>>>>>>> inland >>>>>>>>>>>> areas .... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:43 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning Didi, since you have already suggested a >>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility I also thought of *G.* "superb", a search for its >>>>>>>>>>>>> ("superb") leaf and comparing other details like inflo size, >>>>>>>>>>>>> flowering >>>>>>>>>>>>> season (throughout year) may help go further. Of-course that >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> probability only. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful that you found and shared these links... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one peruses these it becomes obvious that many sp and many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more cultivars are being studied by these groups.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there at least one and one comes across a few more very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> active study groups of exotics , not to mention university level >>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> study and id these ... with live specimen in hand and often if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not live, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> superb close ups all aspects of the plants and flowers and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dissections... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the fifth pic , but it dos not tell me the plant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> size and details of the leaves etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am happy with Grevillea sp, cultivar .... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that arise with any plant and esp here with so many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cultivars out there... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is the shape of the plant, how tall, what does the stem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bark look like, branching, leaves details, and then flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spike/inflorescence ... size etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not even sure of the color..is it pink? is it red? is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it orange? is it orangeish red? digital cameras do a number >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with some red >>>>>>>>>>>>>> colored flowers and leaves ... ... unless we also take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference card >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with us and photograph it along with red its often difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... esp out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the open sky... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now the question is : which do i pick from these ps pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> above taken in a hurry: which cultivar??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..".ned kelly", "superb",, or "robyn gordon", cultivars or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it g. juniperina? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its a difficult task , you'll agree when you see and read the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties in nailing the diagnosis based on these pictures >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine the intense scrutiny the study group undertakes... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were many cultivars in australia already and then i >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can imagine all the cultivars developed since it became popular >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in american >>>>>>>>>>>>>> southwest... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *my final diagnosis is red flowering cultivar of Grevillea >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sp.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am glad you showed these and it will be in the database in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiatreepix as an australian plant, and in this day and age of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> xeriscaping plants finding a place in international growers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists, it may >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come to india like the artichokes, kiwi, avocado etc etc have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows..it may be a start of another conversation.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but today this is as far i am willing to go based on the data >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iti... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Aarti S. Khale < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does look like my Grevillea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let the experts decide, since I am not one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:41 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for an interesting unknown exotica, this pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sgapqld.org.au/growing_grevilleas.pdf> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/best-grevilleas-for-southern-california/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with http://anpsa.org.au/g-super1.html may help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole plant? ht ?? etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its mind boggling to say the least... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grevillea_cultivars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A small tree, hardly 10 feet in height cultivated in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garden overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grevillea banksii comes to my mind on searching further. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many different colors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought G. robusta only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G. lanigera, G. juniperina, are displayed as small shrubs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in hanging baskets in Farmers markets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am not so sure of the diagnosis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its just not three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many many are sold esp in california >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggested id. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could locate one more picture, giving an idea of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6 November 2014 20:28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:205415] Small Ornamental Tree : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grevillea Species : California : 06NOV14 : AK-18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grevillea Species seen in San Francisco on 1/10/14. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A small,ornamental tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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