I thought this thread talked of rare species, Didi. Thank you Regards surajit
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > So there you have it Pankaj > > Ashwini's response should help the quiet the fears > > but do tell us and Ashwini what not to uproot > > it would help us all > > and would be an asset here in the database > > Surajit > Conservation notions are wonderful > but it has its place > elsewhere uprooting weeds is a necessity... when it gets in my spinach > and salads bed.. not all ruellia are harmless, some are outright > poisonous... am i going to take a chance of kids eating those leaves along > with my lettuce or young spinach or rocket leaves? > > uprooting the weeds to clean up the garden / lawn > and while I am at it am going to make a set of dried/pressed specimen... > > i dont see any harm in that!!! > > usha di > > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Pankaj ji, Usha di and Surajit ji for your advice and comments. >> Pankaj ji, I live in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh at an altitude of about >> 1700-1800m and study plants, birds, butterflies and moths as a hobby. I >> have mixed aims in starting and maintaining a herbarium: >> >> I want to collect plants to study them in greater depth than merely >> photographing them allows. I have been uprooting some plants in any case to >> have a closer look and to photograph them in better conditions and to look >> under a microscope, so why not preserve them and keep them available for >> future reference. >> >> I will not deny the fun element. I began studying them in the first place >> because of the joy it afforded me. >> >> Also as an activity with children it will combine hours of fun with study >> and hopefully will instil in them a degree of concern for nature. >> >> But you have raised valid points in asking the purpose of such a project. >> First, I feel not enough is done to study the plants of my area and hence >> any careful collection will set a basis for present/future studies. Second, >> photographs of a specimen are not always enough to correctly identify and >> leave room for further more detailed investigations. Third, an actual plant >> helps me look closer and study features that I either overlook in the field >> or fail to study properly. >> >> As a rule if I do not see several specimens of the same plant, I DO NOT >> collect a specimen. This way even if I inadvertently take a rare plant, I >> can be sure that I am not destroying the only existing sample. Furthermore, >> by bringing attention of the experts on this group to a rare species, >> wherever encountered, I hope to help save/revive the plant with expert >> advice. >> >> Since I have not yet embarked on a collection, I welcome your views on >> this matter further. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> On 05-Apr-2015, at 6:02 pm, surajit koley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Thank you Didi for those interesting links, something novel to me. At the >> same time I also subscribe to the conservation view. >> >> Regards >> >> surajit >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Pankaj , Point well written and taken on my part >>> >>> May be you should take it up with botany departments at colleges and >>> universities and conservation agencies and the environmental departments >>> you are passionate about it >>> >>> good luck >>> >>> I'll let Ashwini tell you what you asked >>> Based on all the cases he has been showing here I personally dont think >>> Ashwini had any such notion as decimating plants you are thinking of... >>> but still its a good notion to sound the alarm >>> >>> we all will pay heed to your sentiments . I am sure... >>> >>> When are you going to show us some more of your orchids >>> >>> Usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> we have not seen you here for a while now, whats keeping you busy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> My point was a bit different? >>>> There is no point making herbarium collections just for fun and for >>>> hobby. >>>> I am sorry but I dont know your background properly and neither do I >>>> know your location. >>>> If I had known your location then I would have suggested the name of >>>> nearest herbarium from your place which you can visit to study specimens if >>>> you need. >>>> Some people so specimen collections for fun and infact there are some >>>> rare species which are going extinct, for example Panchmarhi is a favorite >>>> destination for botany students, and they go every year in team and every >>>> year they collect same plants and some rare species, just to prepare report >>>> for their degree course. To me its WRONG !!! But its my personal view. >>>> Best regards >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> You want to make herbarium specimen to dry for posterity for science >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKcRUloQm0M> or //and >>>>> for making botanical art pieces for framing ( you have a rich fern >>>>> population they make great art pieces) >>>>> <https://www.etsy.com/in-en/market/pressed_ferns> >>>>> >>>>> Its not at all difficult >>>>> just laborious and you need to keep a log of serial number date of >>>>> collecting botanical names place of collection and any and all data you >>>>> want to save and meticulously write at least your serial number and date >>>>> on the newspaper where you are pressing them..the names or serial number >>>>> of your collection written down on the newspapers where you press them >>>>> initially >>>>> >>>>> and get any many different ones to show the natural variation that nay >>>>> be in any given wild population so they would be your erial number xyz >>>>> folowed by a b c d etc otr small i, ii, iii iv etc >>>>> other wise a mess follows >>>>> I have done it and had to throw out several because i had no way of >>>>> knowing what they were once dried out >>>>> >>>>> *Also its a fun thing for children to learn * >>>>> <http://www.motherforlife.com/creative-hobbies/crafts/7095-making-a-herbarium.thtml> >>>>> of course theirs is usually just a fun thing >>>>> and this site says its not rocket science , I love that sentiment >>>>> and who knows >>>>> it may direct their future lives >>>>> its pure bliss when what you love becomes your professional calling.... >>>>> >>>>> some very good instructions are on the net , at utube >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M%20%20%20and%20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M> >>>>> from a herbal site >>>>> and also a utube from RBGE >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wFN9YmkBOQ>and then how to mount >>>>> the specimen RBGE again <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qgfShomYY> >>>>> I looked at these s RBGE utubes before hitting the send button, its >>>>> really quite complete as far as demos go... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read up some in writing... >>>>> one recent one i see is a pdf ... >>>>> <http://apps.rhs.org.uk/schoolgardening/uploads/documents/Making%20a%20herbarium%20specimen%20leaflet_1638.pdf> >>>>> and a blog >>>>> <https://theherbarium.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/how-to-make-a-herbarium/> >>>>> >>>>> ONE thing a professor at BHU had told me that in india one perhaps >>>>> needs to rinse out and dry the specimen in some sort of alcohol solution >>>>> or >>>>> potassium permanganate to deter the fungi that grow.. before putting them >>>>> in newspapers for pressing, i tried it once but ... how does one know >>>>> that i had killed off all spores etc...also a theoretical problem with >>>>> that is flowers will wither etc, >>>>> and chemical analysis later may be interfered with, I donot know >>>>> exactly what folks do in India... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ask Dr Rawat or Gurcharanji or Nidhan or Balkar >>>>> >>>>> they would know they are currently professors... and go on collecting >>>>> trips I am sure they dont only take pictures they must be making herbarium >>>>> too... >>>>> >>>>> then for permanent mounting and saving ...getting supplies to be acid >>>>> free and all those tapes labels envelopes that see thru for small items or >>>>> fallen flowers or seeds etc, if you want to make it like at the NYBG or >>>>> MOBOT you would have to get your relatives to ship them to you do some >>>>> search, many years ago I had found some sites that had catalogs for >>>>> botanical herbarium making and also they had library related acid free >>>>> supplies... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BSI at Kolkata does a course of herbarium making at some campus in >>>>> salt lake you could ask Tapas da >>>>> or do search it at BSI site >>>>> >>>>> good luck >>>>> >>>>> Usha di >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> May I know why you wish to make herbarium specimens and where do you >>>>>> live? >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:36 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 1 April 2015 at 21:42 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:220126] Herbarium >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an unusual request to all of you. I was thinking of making a >>>>>>> herbarium of local plants this summer with my son and daughter. What do >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> need to make a professional herbarium–something which can be useful in >>>>>>> gaining further insights later? 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