no, surajit it is about herbarium making from start usha di
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:07 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > I thought this thread talked of rare species, Didi. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> So there you have it Pankaj >> >> Ashwini's response should help the quiet the fears >> >> but do tell us and Ashwini what not to uproot >> >> it would help us all >> >> and would be an asset here in the database >> >> Surajit >> Conservation notions are wonderful >> but it has its place >> elsewhere uprooting weeds is a necessity... when it gets in my spinach >> and salads bed.. not all ruellia are harmless, some are outright >> poisonous... am i going to take a chance of kids eating those leaves along >> with my lettuce or young spinach or rocket leaves? >> >> uprooting the weeds to clean up the garden / lawn >> and while I am at it am going to make a set of dried/pressed specimen... >> >> i dont see any harm in that!!! >> >> usha di >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Thank you Pankaj ji, Usha di and Surajit ji for your advice and >>> comments. Pankaj ji, I live in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh at an altitude >>> of about 1700-1800m and study plants, birds, butterflies and moths as a >>> hobby. I have mixed aims in starting and maintaining a herbarium: >>> >>> I want to collect plants to study them in greater depth than merely >>> photographing them allows. I have been uprooting some plants in any case to >>> have a closer look and to photograph them in better conditions and to look >>> under a microscope, so why not preserve them and keep them available for >>> future reference. >>> >>> I will not deny the fun element. I began studying them in the first >>> place because of the joy it afforded me. >>> >>> Also as an activity with children it will combine hours of fun with >>> study and hopefully will instil in them a degree of concern for nature. >>> >>> But you have raised valid points in asking the purpose of such a >>> project. First, I feel not enough is done to study the plants of my area >>> and hence any careful collection will set a basis for present/future >>> studies. Second, photographs of a specimen are not always enough to >>> correctly identify and leave room for further more detailed investigations. >>> Third, an actual plant helps me look closer and study features that I >>> either overlook in the field or fail to study properly. >>> >>> As a rule if I do not see several specimens of the same plant, I DO NOT >>> collect a specimen. This way even if I inadvertently take a rare plant, I >>> can be sure that I am not destroying the only existing sample. Furthermore, >>> by bringing attention of the experts on this group to a rare species, >>> wherever encountered, I hope to help save/revive the plant with expert >>> advice. >>> >>> Since I have not yet embarked on a collection, I welcome your views on >>> this matter further. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05-Apr-2015, at 6:02 pm, surajit koley <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Didi for those interesting links, something novel to me. At >>> the same time I also subscribe to the conservation view. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Pankaj , Point well written and taken on my part >>>> >>>> May be you should take it up with botany departments at colleges and >>>> universities and conservation agencies and the environmental departments >>>> you are passionate about it >>>> >>>> good luck >>>> >>>> I'll let Ashwini tell you what you asked >>>> Based on all the cases he has been showing here I personally dont think >>>> Ashwini had any such notion as decimating plants you are thinking of... >>>> but still its a good notion to sound the alarm >>>> >>>> we all will pay heed to your sentiments . I am sure... >>>> >>>> When are you going to show us some more of your orchids >>>> >>>> Usha di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> we have not seen you here for a while now, whats keeping you busy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My point was a bit different? >>>>> There is no point making herbarium collections just for fun and for >>>>> hobby. >>>>> I am sorry but I dont know your background properly and neither do I >>>>> know your location. >>>>> If I had known your location then I would have suggested the name of >>>>> nearest herbarium from your place which you can visit to study specimens >>>>> if >>>>> you need. >>>>> Some people so specimen collections for fun and infact there are some >>>>> rare species which are going extinct, for example Panchmarhi is a favorite >>>>> destination for botany students, and they go every year in team and every >>>>> year they collect same plants and some rare species, just to prepare >>>>> report >>>>> for their degree course. To me its WRONG !!! But its my personal view. >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> You want to make herbarium specimen to dry for posterity for science >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKcRUloQm0M> or //and >>>>>> for making botanical art pieces for framing ( you have a rich fern >>>>>> population they make great art pieces) >>>>>> <https://www.etsy.com/in-en/market/pressed_ferns> >>>>>> >>>>>> Its not at all difficult >>>>>> just laborious and you need to keep a log of serial number date of >>>>>> collecting botanical names place of collection and any and all data you >>>>>> want to save and meticulously write at least your serial number and date >>>>>> on the newspaper where you are pressing them..the names or serial number >>>>>> of your collection written down on the newspapers where you press them >>>>>> initially >>>>>> >>>>>> and get any many different ones to show the natural variation that >>>>>> nay be in any given wild population so they would be your erial number >>>>>> xyz >>>>>> folowed by a b c d etc otr small i, ii, iii iv etc >>>>>> other wise a mess follows >>>>>> I have done it and had to throw out several because i had no way of >>>>>> knowing what they were once dried out >>>>>> >>>>>> *Also its a fun thing for children to learn * >>>>>> <http://www.motherforlife.com/creative-hobbies/crafts/7095-making-a-herbarium.thtml> >>>>>> of course theirs is usually just a fun thing >>>>>> and this site says its not rocket science , I love that sentiment >>>>>> and who knows >>>>>> it may direct their future lives >>>>>> its pure bliss when what you love becomes your professional >>>>>> calling.... >>>>>> >>>>>> some very good instructions are on the net , at utube >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M%20%20%20and%20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M> >>>>>> from a herbal site >>>>>> and also a utube from RBGE >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wFN9YmkBOQ>and then how to mount >>>>>> the specimen RBGE again <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qgfShomYY> >>>>>> I looked at these s RBGE utubes before hitting the send button, its >>>>>> really quite complete as far as demos go... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read up some in writing... >>>>>> one recent one i see is a pdf ... >>>>>> <http://apps.rhs.org.uk/schoolgardening/uploads/documents/Making%20a%20herbarium%20specimen%20leaflet_1638.pdf> >>>>>> and a blog >>>>>> <https://theherbarium.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/how-to-make-a-herbarium/> >>>>>> >>>>>> ONE thing a professor at BHU had told me that in india one perhaps >>>>>> needs to rinse out and dry the specimen in some sort of alcohol solution >>>>>> or >>>>>> potassium permanganate to deter the fungi that grow.. before putting >>>>>> them >>>>>> in newspapers for pressing, i tried it once but ... how does one know >>>>>> that i had killed off all spores etc...also a theoretical problem with >>>>>> that is flowers will wither etc, >>>>>> and chemical analysis later may be interfered with, I donot know >>>>>> exactly what folks do in India... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ask Dr Rawat or Gurcharanji or Nidhan or Balkar >>>>>> >>>>>> they would know they are currently professors... and go on >>>>>> collecting trips I am sure they dont only take pictures they must be >>>>>> making >>>>>> herbarium too... >>>>>> >>>>>> then for permanent mounting and saving ...getting supplies to be acid >>>>>> free and all those tapes labels envelopes that see thru for small items >>>>>> or >>>>>> fallen flowers or seeds etc, if you want to make it like at the NYBG or >>>>>> MOBOT you would have to get your relatives to ship them to you do some >>>>>> search, many years ago I had found some sites that had catalogs for >>>>>> botanical herbarium making and also they had library related acid free >>>>>> supplies... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> BSI at Kolkata does a course of herbarium making at some campus in >>>>>> salt lake you could ask Tapas da >>>>>> or do search it at BSI site >>>>>> >>>>>> good luck >>>>>> >>>>>> Usha di >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> May I know why you wish to make herbarium specimens and where do you >>>>>>> live? >>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:36 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 1 April 2015 at 21:42 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:220126] Herbarium >>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an unusual request to all of you. I was thinking of making >>>>>>>> a herbarium of local plants this summer with my son and daughter. What >>>>>>>> do I >>>>>>>> need to make a professional herbarium–something which can be useful in >>>>>>>> gaining further insights later? Since I have no previous experience, >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> guide with basics such as materials, process etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be grateful for any insights. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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