In this thread I placed the word "conservation" only after the concern regarding rare species was raised (following your 1st reply mail), Didi Thank you Regards
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > no, surajit > it is about herbarium making > from start > > usha di > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:07 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I thought this thread talked of rare species, Didi. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So there you have it Pankaj >>> >>> Ashwini's response should help the quiet the fears >>> >>> but do tell us and Ashwini what not to uproot >>> >>> it would help us all >>> >>> and would be an asset here in the database >>> >>> Surajit >>> Conservation notions are wonderful >>> but it has its place >>> elsewhere uprooting weeds is a necessity... when it gets in my spinach >>> and salads bed.. not all ruellia are harmless, some are outright >>> poisonous... am i going to take a chance of kids eating those leaves along >>> with my lettuce or young spinach or rocket leaves? >>> >>> uprooting the weeds to clean up the garden / lawn >>> and while I am at it am going to make a set of dried/pressed specimen... >>> >>> i dont see any harm in that!!! >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Ashwini Bhatia < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Pankaj ji, Usha di and Surajit ji for your advice and >>>> comments. Pankaj ji, I live in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh at an altitude >>>> of about 1700-1800m and study plants, birds, butterflies and moths as a >>>> hobby. I have mixed aims in starting and maintaining a herbarium: >>>> >>>> I want to collect plants to study them in greater depth than merely >>>> photographing them allows. I have been uprooting some plants in any case to >>>> have a closer look and to photograph them in better conditions and to look >>>> under a microscope, so why not preserve them and keep them available for >>>> future reference. >>>> >>>> I will not deny the fun element. I began studying them in the first >>>> place because of the joy it afforded me. >>>> >>>> Also as an activity with children it will combine hours of fun with >>>> study and hopefully will instil in them a degree of concern for nature. >>>> >>>> But you have raised valid points in asking the purpose of such a >>>> project. First, I feel not enough is done to study the plants of my area >>>> and hence any careful collection will set a basis for present/future >>>> studies. Second, photographs of a specimen are not always enough to >>>> correctly identify and leave room for further more detailed investigations. >>>> Third, an actual plant helps me look closer and study features that I >>>> either overlook in the field or fail to study properly. >>>> >>>> As a rule if I do not see several specimens of the same plant, I DO NOT >>>> collect a specimen. This way even if I inadvertently take a rare plant, I >>>> can be sure that I am not destroying the only existing sample. Furthermore, >>>> by bringing attention of the experts on this group to a rare species, >>>> wherever encountered, I hope to help save/revive the plant with expert >>>> advice. >>>> >>>> Since I have not yet embarked on a collection, I welcome your views on >>>> this matter further. >>>> >>>> Thanks and regards, >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05-Apr-2015, at 6:02 pm, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you Didi for those interesting links, something novel to me. At >>>> the same time I also subscribe to the conservation view. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pankaj , Point well written and taken on my part >>>>> >>>>> May be you should take it up with botany departments at colleges and >>>>> universities and conservation agencies and the environmental departments >>>>> you are passionate about it >>>>> >>>>> good luck >>>>> >>>>> I'll let Ashwini tell you what you asked >>>>> Based on all the cases he has been showing here I personally dont >>>>> think Ashwini had any such notion as decimating plants you are thinking >>>>> of... >>>>> but still its a good notion to sound the alarm >>>>> >>>>> we all will pay heed to your sentiments . I am sure... >>>>> >>>>> When are you going to show us some more of your orchids >>>>> >>>>> Usha di >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> we have not seen you here for a while now, whats keeping you busy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My point was a bit different? >>>>>> There is no point making herbarium collections just for fun and for >>>>>> hobby. >>>>>> I am sorry but I dont know your background properly and neither do I >>>>>> know your location. >>>>>> If I had known your location then I would have suggested the name of >>>>>> nearest herbarium from your place which you can visit to study specimens >>>>>> if >>>>>> you need. >>>>>> Some people so specimen collections for fun and infact there are some >>>>>> rare species which are going extinct, for example Panchmarhi is a >>>>>> favorite >>>>>> destination for botany students, and they go every year in team and every >>>>>> year they collect same plants and some rare species, just to prepare >>>>>> report >>>>>> for their degree course. To me its WRONG !!! But its my personal view. >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You want to make herbarium specimen to dry for posterity for science >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKcRUloQm0M> or //and >>>>>>> for making botanical art pieces for framing ( you have a rich fern >>>>>>> population they make great art pieces) >>>>>>> <https://www.etsy.com/in-en/market/pressed_ferns> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its not at all difficult >>>>>>> just laborious and you need to keep a log of serial number date of >>>>>>> collecting botanical names place of collection and any and all data you >>>>>>> want to save and meticulously write at least your serial number and >>>>>>> date >>>>>>> on the newspaper where you are pressing them..the names or serial >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> of your collection written down on the newspapers where you press them >>>>>>> initially >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and get any many different ones to show the natural variation that >>>>>>> nay be in any given wild population so they would be your erial number >>>>>>> xyz >>>>>>> folowed by a b c d etc otr small i, ii, iii iv etc >>>>>>> other wise a mess follows >>>>>>> I have done it and had to throw out several because i had no way >>>>>>> of knowing what they were once dried out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Also its a fun thing for children to learn * >>>>>>> <http://www.motherforlife.com/creative-hobbies/crafts/7095-making-a-herbarium.thtml> >>>>>>> of course theirs is usually just a fun thing >>>>>>> and this site says its not rocket science , I love that sentiment >>>>>>> and who knows >>>>>>> it may direct their future lives >>>>>>> its pure bliss when what you love becomes your professional >>>>>>> calling.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> some very good instructions are on the net , at utube >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M%20%20%20and%20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhspYfnQM9M> >>>>>>> from a herbal site >>>>>>> and also a utube from RBGE >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wFN9YmkBOQ>and then how to mount >>>>>>> the specimen RBGE again >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qgfShomYY> >>>>>>> I looked at these s RBGE utubes before hitting the send button, its >>>>>>> really quite complete as far as demos go... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read up some in writing... >>>>>>> one recent one i see is a pdf ... >>>>>>> <http://apps.rhs.org.uk/schoolgardening/uploads/documents/Making%20a%20herbarium%20specimen%20leaflet_1638.pdf> >>>>>>> and a blog >>>>>>> <https://theherbarium.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/how-to-make-a-herbarium/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ONE thing a professor at BHU had told me that in india one perhaps >>>>>>> needs to rinse out and dry the specimen in some sort of alcohol >>>>>>> solution or >>>>>>> potassium permanganate to deter the fungi that grow.. before putting >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> in newspapers for pressing, i tried it once but ... how does one know >>>>>>> that i had killed off all spores etc...also a theoretical problem with >>>>>>> that is flowers will wither etc, >>>>>>> and chemical analysis later may be interfered with, I donot know >>>>>>> exactly what folks do in India... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ask Dr Rawat or Gurcharanji or Nidhan or Balkar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they would know they are currently professors... and go on >>>>>>> collecting trips I am sure they dont only take pictures they must be >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> herbarium too... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then for permanent mounting and saving ...getting supplies to be >>>>>>> acid free and all those tapes labels envelopes that see thru for small >>>>>>> items or fallen flowers or seeds etc, if you want to make it like at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> NYBG or MOBOT you would have to get your relatives to ship them to you >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> some search, many years ago I had found some sites that had catalogs >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> botanical herbarium making and also they had library related acid free >>>>>>> supplies... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BSI at Kolkata does a course of herbarium making at some campus in >>>>>>> salt lake you could ask Tapas da >>>>>>> or do search it at BSI site >>>>>>> >>>>>>> good luck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> May I know why you wish to make herbarium specimens and where do >>>>>>>> you live? >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:36 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 1 April 2015 at 21:42 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:220126] Herbarium >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an unusual request to all of you. I was thinking of making >>>>>>>>> a herbarium of local plants this summer with my son and daughter. >>>>>>>>> What do I >>>>>>>>> need to make a professional herbarium–something which can be useful in >>>>>>>>> gaining further insights later? 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