Respected Garg ji and Chadwell ji Thank you for the detailed discussions. I had also posted it on Plant Wealth of India as P. crenulata before posting on efi. I have posted it on efi for discussion as deep orange colour of its fruit was unique. When I checked for orange colour on the net, some cultivars appeared. I have seen thousands of different specimens of P. crenulata, but all had dark red fruits. It occurs frequently in this part of Himalaya as a wild. Specimen in this post was photographed near a small village temple. Only 3-4 plants were there. They might have been cultivated???
Regards On Nov 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > > On 13 November 2016 at 08:51, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry, the information about P.crenulata being brought in by the British >> and naturalising is not correct. Pyracantha crenulata is a wild species >> *native >> to the Himalaya* from Kashmir to SW China and Myanamar @ 1000-2400m in >> shrubberies, open slopes & cultivated areas. Its fruits are typically >> orange-red though dark red forms occur. >> >> It was not introduced by the British or became naturalised. There may >> have been isolated introductions of cultivars of Pyracantha during the >> British time or indeed since which might explain the specimen photographed >> at Narkanda, IF it is an escape from cultivation or is being cultivated? I >> do not know much about the ancestry of the various Pyracantha cultivars, >> whether selections or hybrids. Pyracantha 'Orange Glow' apparently arose >> as a chance seedling found in a garden in Holland around 1930. So it does >> not seem feasible that it could have got into wider cultivation and thus >> have been brought to India before Independence, IF this is thought to be >> this? Pyracantha crenulata is not often cultivated in the UK. >> >> Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' did record this plant but he knew it as >> Crataegus crenulata which he stated was found from the Sutlej to Bhutan but >> failed to indicate >> where it grew in or around Simla (as he normally did for most plants). As >> it is rather a prominent shrub, then not easily missed. He said the >> species was closely allied to one which was often trained against walls in >> Britain with bright red fruits. There is no native Pyracantha in the UK. >> The commonest species which naturalises there is P.coccinea a native of NE >> Spain to N.Iran. There seem to be about 7 species, 4 from China. Some >> think P.crenulata and P.coccinea may constitute the same species. >> >> In Bhutan P.crenulata grows at streamsides, the fruits red. >> >> I am not familiar with all the various cultivars and cannot distinguish >> readily between the species, so am uncertain what the plant photographed >> actually is. >> >> Stewart understood P.crenulata to be cultivated in Abbottabad and Rao >> recorded it from one place in Kashmir (hence, I suspect the distribution >> given). He felt that IF that was a wild specimen, it would represent a >> Westerly extension of its range. >> >> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:46:39 PM UTC+1, Anil Thakur wrote: >> >>> Pyracantha 'Orange Glow' >>> or >>> Pyracantha 'Orange Charmer' >>> or >>> Pyracantha crenulata 'Orange Glow' >>> or >>> Pyracantha angustifolia (native to Southwest China) >>> >>> Height: 3-4 feet >>> October 23, 2016 >>> Place: Narkanda, Shimla, India >>> Altitude: 8700- 8800 feet >>> >>> -- >>> With best Regards, >>> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
