Thanks, Chadwell ji On 19 Nov 2016 7:20 pm, "[email protected]" < [email protected]> wrote:
> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this - shall comment further in due > course. I do consider it is part of the G.collinum-pratense-himalayense* > *alliance (see below) but definitely not with what I understand to be > G.himalayense from Ladakh.* > > > > I do have some images of Geranium pratense taken in the UK earlier this > year which it might be worthwhile me posting for comparison purposes - > accepting that Nasir recognised subspecies stewartianum. > > > > Let me try to explain. In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention > to the problematical G.collinum-pratense-himalayense alliance. He > considered this was particularly critical in the NW Himalaya with high > quality pressed specimens needed (nowadays these can be supplemented and > sometimes replaced by high quality digital images (provided the advice > given below is followed). This alliance has pink to blue flowers > (sometimes white) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are never > blackish-purple... > > > > > I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an > additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having > images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and > enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you > can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! > > > > > > PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: > > > > *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to > collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* > > > *The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or > creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should > provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the > authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for > the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is > primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions.* > > * In the early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe > fruits available.* > > * If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced states.* > > * If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect some (many > geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often retained).* > > *Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if necessary). Expose > stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or 3 sepals off a > flower from which petals have recently dropped.* > > *Smoothing out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be > helpful; a few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are > often useful.* > > *Wilted specimens can be very misleading.* > > *Notes should be taken as to flower posture, colour and patterning of > petals, colour of stigmas, anthers and distal parts of filaments (not > necessary if your photos show these).* > > *And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something > that would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above > by Yeo.* > > > On Thursday, November 22, 2012 at 12:11:55 AM UTC, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >> *Geranium pratense* L., Sp. Pl. 2: 681. 1753. >> >> A species very similar in appearance to G. wallichianum but very easily >> differentiated by very narrow linear stipules, 5-7 lobed leaves more deeply >> divided, each segment narrower, narrowest towards tip and gradually broader >> towards base with 6-13 acutish lobes, and narrowed suddenly below the >> lowest pairs of lobes. the species is now considerd closer to G. himalense >> but latter has smaller leaves, broader segments with lobes concentrated in >> upper with 5-7 lobes, mostly lobed again. >> Flora of Pakistan considers Himalayan form as subsp. stewartianum, but >> this taxon is not accepted in light of variation within the species. >> Photographed from Gulmarg, kashmir. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
