Thanks, Ashwini ji. I think this will go a long way in sorting out our species in efi.
On 04-Sep-2017 10:38 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> wrote: > I had a chance to see the fruit on my visit to Ilaqa yesterday and made me > revisit my initial ID. Following *Flowers of the Himalaya*, I see two > distinct possibilities for my sample, one of which *Astralagus strictus* > is more likely than the other. Here is why; > > 1. *Astralagus himalayanus*: Altitude 2400-4500m, June-Sep., flowers > borne on stalks usually longer than the subtending leaves, *calyx with > black and white hairs*, *leaf-stems with adpressed hairs*, pods with > black hair. > > 2. *Astralagus strictus*: Alt. 2100-5000m, May-Aug., *flowers borne > stalks shorter than the pinnate leaves*, calyx with black hairs, leaves > with adpressed white hairs, *pods with adpressed black and white hairs*. > > My sample has features that I have marked in bold and hence shares > features from both these species. Perhaps black and white hairs and their > mix is a variable trait (Flora of China says about A. strictus: *Calyx > 3.5-4 mm, rather densely covered with appressed white hairs up to 1 mm and > with mostly shorter black hairs, sometimes with predominantly black hairs* > ). Flora of Pakistan says that the fruit in *A. himalayanus* has black > hairs and the stipe is longer than calyx which is not true for my sample. > FOP states for *A. strictus* that the calyx is '*white and black > pubescent, fruit white and black pubescent, stipe short*'. > > Following this argument I would like to conclude that my sample is closer > to *Astragalus strictus*. The images for both *A. himalayanus* and *A. > strictus* on our site need re-looking as the photo showing pods for *A. > himalayanus* does not reveal any hairs and fruits are absent for *A. > strictus*. > > I can of course be completely off-track here and if I am please correct me. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > On 31 August 2017 at 07:32, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Mr Garg. >> >> On 31-Aug-2017 5:08 AM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> To me looks ok as per high resolution specimen at >>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>> >>> I can not say the same of the image at FOI at >>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Mil >>> k%20Vetch.html >>> >>> On 22 August 2017 at 05:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>> >>>> On 19-Aug-2017 6:21 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. I did go through the images but could not decide if >>>>> my plant was *A. himalayanus*. The calyx looks different on my plant. >>>>> I will look again closely and read up on the species. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Aug 2017, at 14:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Beautiful images. I hope you have checked comparative images at efi >>>>> site. >>>>> >>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 8:15 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I remembered seeing this last year too but didn't get to edit and >>>>>> research. I think this is *Astragalus himalayanus*, but I am not >>>>>> sure. 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