I think Tapas ji, can enlighten us more on this. On 11 October 2017 at 11:43, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:
> Thank you Mr Garg. If we could establish more places where we could send > samples for proper identification of confusing genera it would be very > useful. > > > On 11 Oct 2017, at 11:19, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji. > Very nice discovery. > > On 11 October 2017 at 10:12, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Mr Garg, >> Dr Chaudhary just wrote this; >> >> I have received your specimens of Astragalus two days ago. It is *Astragalus >> sikkimensis* Benth. ex Bunge. It has so far been reported from India >> (Sikkim and Jammu & Kashmir), Nepal, Bhutan and China. The occurrence of >> this species in Himachal Pradesh suggests that its distribution is >> throughout the Himalaya from Jammu & Kashmir to China. >> >> >> I am going to write him to ask what characteristics define this species. >> I will share his reply when he writes. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> On 22 Sep 2017, at 19:04, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Mr Garg, >> On the advice of Dr Lal Babu Chaudhary, who had written to me after >> seeing our email conversation, I collected a sample on my last trip (16 >> Sep.) and am currently drying it before sending it to his lab for proper >> identification. He has kindly offered to help. I read one of his papers in >> which he has described a new species *Astragalus himachalensis* which >> differs slightly from *A. himalayanus* and am including a pdf here. >> >> Hopefully we will have clarity on the matter soon. >> >> Many thanks for your help. >> Ashwini >> >> >> On 20 September 2017 at 18:26, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It is very much possible, Mr Garg. I am going to look at Oxytropis soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20-Sep-2017 6:09 PM, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It may not be either of the two ? >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: 14 September 2017 at 18:29 >>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? >>>> ABAUG2017/27 >>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>> Cc: Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>> To me looks different from images of *Astragalus strictus* Graham ex >>>> Bentham in Royle at Flora of China >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242306789>. >>>> Also see high resolution specimen of *Astralagus himalayanus *with >>>> pods at http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>> Date: 4 September 2017 at 22:38 >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? ABAUG2017/27 >>>> To: "indiantreepix@googlegroups.com" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, >>>> "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had a chance to see the fruit on my visit to Ilaqa yesterday and made >>>> me revisit my initial ID. Following *Flowers of the Himalaya*, I see >>>> two distinct possibilities for my sample, one of which *Astralagus >>>> strictus* is more likely than the other. Here is why; >>>> >>>> 1. *Astralagus himalayanus*: Altitude 2400-4500m, June-Sep., flowers >>>> borne on stalks usually longer than the subtending leaves, *calyx with >>>> black and white hairs*, *leaf-stems with adpressed hairs*, pods with >>>> black hair. >>>> >>>> 2. *Astralagus strictus*: Alt. 2100-5000m, May-Aug., *flowers borne >>>> stalks shorter than the pinnate leaves*, calyx with black hairs, >>>> leaves with adpressed white hairs, *pods with adpressed black and >>>> white hairs*. >>>> >>>> My sample has features that I have marked in bold and hence shares >>>> features from both these species. Perhaps black and white hairs and their >>>> mix is a variable trait (Flora of China says about A. strictus: *Calyx >>>> 3.5-4 mm, rather densely covered with appressed white hairs up to 1 mm and >>>> with mostly shorter black hairs, sometimes with predominantly black hairs* >>>> ). Flora of Pakistan says that the fruit in *A. himalayanus* has black >>>> hairs and the stipe is longer than calyx which is not true for my sample. >>>> FOP states for *A. strictus* that the calyx is '*white and black >>>> pubescent, fruit white and black pubescent, stipe short*'. >>>> >>>> Following this argument I would like to conclude that my sample is >>>> closer to *Astragalus strictus*. The images for both *A. himalayanus* >>>> and *A. strictus* on our site need re-looking as the photo showing >>>> pods for *A. himalayanus* does not reveal any hairs and fruits are >>>> absent for *A. strictus*. >>>> >>>> I can of course be completely off-track here and if I am please correct >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 August 2017 at 07:32, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. >>>>> >>>>> On 31-Aug-2017 5:08 AM, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To me looks ok as per high resolution specimen at >>>>>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>>>>> >>>>>> I can not say the same of the image at FOI at >>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Mil >>>>>> k%20Vetch.html >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 August 2017 at 05:51, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 6:21 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. I did go through the images but could not decide >>>>>>>> if my plant was *A. himalayanus*. The calyx looks different on my >>>>>>>> plant. I will look again closely and read up on the species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Aug 2017, at 14:50, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Beautiful images. I hope you have checked comparative images at efi >>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 8:15 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I remembered seeing this last year too but didn't get to edit and >>>>>>>>> research. I think this is *Astragalus himalayanus*, but I am not >>>>>>>>> sure. Please advise, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Astragalus himalayanus?* >>>>>>>>> Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP >>>>>>>>> 3300m >>>>>>>>> 16-17 August 2017. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>> >> <A_new_species_of_Astragalus_L_Leguminosae_from_Ind.pdf> >> >> >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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