Thanks, Ashwini ji. I will also certainly like to go through when time permits.
On 05-Sep-2017 8:08 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Mr Garg. What bothers me is the word 'strictus' which means > upright while my sample is prostrate. Also when 'usually' is present in a > description, I am cautious. > > Although* A. strictus* is close, I think we will need another look before > concluding this ID. > > Perhaps someone in the group has the fruit photos of *A. himalayanus* and *A. > strictus* for comparison. > > Best regards, > Ashwini > > On 05-Sep-2017 7:56 AM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >> I think this will go a long way in sorting out our species in efi. >> >> On 04-Sep-2017 10:38 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I had a chance to see the fruit on my visit to Ilaqa yesterday and made >>> me revisit my initial ID. Following *Flowers of the Himalaya*, I see >>> two distinct possibilities for my sample, one of which *Astralagus >>> strictus* is more likely than the other. Here is why; >>> >>> 1. *Astralagus himalayanus*: Altitude 2400-4500m, June-Sep., flowers >>> borne on stalks usually longer than the subtending leaves, *calyx with >>> black and white hairs*, *leaf-stems with adpressed hairs*, pods with >>> black hair. >>> >>> 2. *Astralagus strictus*: Alt. 2100-5000m, May-Aug., *flowers borne >>> stalks shorter than the pinnate leaves*, calyx with black hairs, leaves >>> with adpressed white hairs, *pods with adpressed black and white hairs*. >>> >>> My sample has features that I have marked in bold and hence shares >>> features from both these species. Perhaps black and white hairs and their >>> mix is a variable trait (Flora of China says about A. strictus: *Calyx >>> 3.5-4 mm, rather densely covered with appressed white hairs up to 1 mm and >>> with mostly shorter black hairs, sometimes with predominantly black hairs* >>> ). Flora of Pakistan says that the fruit in *A. himalayanus* has black >>> hairs and the stipe is longer than calyx which is not true for my sample. >>> FOP states for *A. strictus* that the calyx is '*white and black >>> pubescent, fruit white and black pubescent, stipe short*'. >>> >>> Following this argument I would like to conclude that my sample is >>> closer to *Astragalus strictus*. The images for both *A. himalayanus* >>> and *A. strictus* on our site need re-looking as the photo showing pods >>> for *A. himalayanus* does not reveal any hairs and fruits are absent >>> for *A. strictus*. >>> >>> I can of course be completely off-track here and if I am please correct >>> me. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31 August 2017 at 07:32, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Mr Garg. >>>> >>>> On 31-Aug-2017 5:08 AM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> To me looks ok as per high resolution specimen at >>>>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>>>> >>>>> I can not say the same of the image at FOI at >>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Mil >>>>> k%20Vetch.html >>>>> >>>>> On 22 August 2017 at 05:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 6:21 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. I did go through the images but could not decide >>>>>>> if my plant was *A. himalayanus*. The calyx looks different on my >>>>>>> plant. I will look again closely and read up on the species. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Aug 2017, at 14:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beautiful images. I hope you have checked comparative images at efi >>>>>>> site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 8:15 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I remembered seeing this last year too but didn't get to edit and >>>>>>>> research. I think this is *Astragalus himalayanus*, but I am not >>>>>>>> sure. 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