Thanks, Ashwini ji. On 22-Sep-2017 7:04 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Garg, On the advice of Dr Lal Babu Chaudhary, who had written to me after seeing our email conversation, I collected a sample on my last trip (16 Sep.) and am currently drying it before sending it to his lab for proper identification. He has kindly offered to help. I read one of his papers in which he has described a new species *Astragalus himachalensis* which differs slightly from *A. himalayanus* and am including a pdf here. Hopefully we will have clarity on the matter soon. Many thanks for your help. Ashwini On 20 September 2017 at 18:26, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > It is very much possible, Mr Garg. I am going to look at Oxytropis soon. > > > > On 20-Sep-2017 6:09 PM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It may not be either of the two ? >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> Date: 14 September 2017 at 18:29 >> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? ABAUG2017/27 >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> Cc: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> To me looks different from images of *Astragalus strictus* Graham ex >> Bentham in Royle at Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242306789>. >> Also see high resolution specimen of *Astralagus himalayanus *with pods at >> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >> Date: 4 September 2017 at 22:38 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? ABAUG2017/27 >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >> "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> >> >> I had a chance to see the fruit on my visit to Ilaqa yesterday and made >> me revisit my initial ID. Following *Flowers of the Himalaya*, I see two >> distinct possibilities for my sample, one of which *Astralagus strictus* >> is more likely than the other. Here is why; >> >> 1. *Astralagus himalayanus*: Altitude 2400-4500m, June-Sep., flowers >> borne on stalks usually longer than the subtending leaves, *calyx with >> black and white hairs*, *leaf-stems with adpressed hairs*, pods with >> black hair. >> >> 2. *Astralagus strictus*: Alt. 2100-5000m, May-Aug., *flowers borne >> stalks shorter than the pinnate leaves*, calyx with black hairs, leaves >> with adpressed white hairs, *pods with adpressed black and white hairs*. >> >> My sample has features that I have marked in bold and hence shares >> features from both these species. Perhaps black and white hairs and their >> mix is a variable trait (Flora of China says about A. strictus: *Calyx >> 3.5-4 mm, rather densely covered with appressed white hairs up to 1 mm and >> with mostly shorter black hairs, sometimes with predominantly black hairs* >> ). Flora of Pakistan says that the fruit in *A. himalayanus* has black >> hairs and the stipe is longer than calyx which is not true for my sample. >> FOP states for *A. strictus* that the calyx is '*white and black >> pubescent, fruit white and black pubescent, stipe short*'. >> >> Following this argument I would like to conclude that my sample is closer >> to *Astragalus strictus*. The images for both *A. himalayanus* and *A. >> strictus* on our site need re-looking as the photo showing pods for *A. >> himalayanus* does not reveal any hairs and fruits are absent for *A. >> strictus*. >> >> I can of course be completely off-track here and if I am please correct >> me. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> On 31 August 2017 at 07:32, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mr Garg. >>> >>> On 31-Aug-2017 5:08 AM, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> To me looks ok as per high resolution specimen at >>>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>>> >>>> I can not say the same of the image at FOI at >>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Mil >>>> k%20Vetch.html >>>> >>>> On 22 August 2017 at 05:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>> >>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 6:21 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. I did go through the images but could not decide >>>>>> if my plant was *A. himalayanus*. The calyx looks different on my >>>>>> plant. I will look again closely and read up on the species. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Aug 2017, at 14:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Beautiful images. I hope you have checked comparative images at efi >>>>>> site. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 8:15 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I remembered seeing this last year too but didn't get to edit and >>>>>>> research. I think this is *Astragalus himalayanus*, but I am not >>>>>>> sure. Please advise, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Astragalus himalayanus?* >>>>>>> Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP >>>>>>> 3300m >>>>>>> 16-17 August 2017. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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