Dear Dr. Rakesh Singh, Thank you very much for the document. I have gone through it in detail. The treatment of Chionachne gigantea is not at all convincing. Chionachne koengii is a very good species and cannot be equated with Coix gigantea or Chionachne gigantea. The illustration provided against Chionachne gigantea is actually Coix gigantea and does not in any way match other Chionachne species. I suggest authors should retain the name Chionachne koengii, which is not that common and very much different from Coix gigantea, which is actually very common. The introductory part of the revision is also very vague and lacks proper structure to understand. Regards... Manoj Chandran
On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 10:18, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Manoj ji, > Currently WCSP <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do?name_id=526589> > gives as below: > *Polytoca** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Mabb., Mabberley's Pl.-Book, ed. 4: 1102 > (2017).Homotypic Names: > > - * *Coix** gigantea* J.Koenig, Naturforscher (Halle) 23: 211 (1788). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405627> > - *Sphaerium** giganteum* (J.Koenig) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 793 > (1891). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=443848> > - *Coix** lacryma-jobi* var.* gigantea* (J.Koenig) Stapf in > J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: 100 (1896). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405638> > - *Chionachne** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Veldkamp, Blumea 47: 559 (2002). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404603> > - * Basionym/Replaced Synonym > > Heterotypic Synonyms: > > - *Coix** arundinacea* J.Koenig ex Willd., Sp. Pl., ed. 4, 4: 203 > (1805), nom. illeg. > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405617> > - *Coix** koenigii* Spreng., Syst. Veg. 1: 228 (1824). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405631> > - *Coix** barbata* Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. 1832, 3: 569 (1832). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405618> > - *Coix** crypsoides* Müll.Hal., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 19: 334 (1861). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405621> > - *Chionachne** koenigii* (Spreng.) Thwaites, Enum. Pl. Zeyl.: 357 > (1864). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404606> > - *Chionachne** barbata* (Roxb.) R.Br. ex Aitch., Cat. Pl. Punjab > Sindh: 157 (1869). > <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404600> > - *Polytoca** barbata* (Roxb.) Stapf in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: > 102 (1896). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=438146> > > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 09:34, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Manoj Chandran >> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:49 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >> To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >> >> >> The page contains both Chionachne koenigii (the pench photo) and many of >> the other photos are Coix spp., Coix aquatica (Orissa photo), Coix >> lachryma-jobi and Coix gigantea (both Hoogly photos) and also male >> spikelets of Polytoca digitata (The Thane photos which myself had >> misidentified as Coix gigantea male spikelets). The Guntur photos as again >> Chionachne koenigii. >> It is clear that Chionachne koenigii is definitely different from Coix >> gigantea even when treated as Chionachne gigantea. As per priority rule, >> the genus Coix will prevail over Chionachne, even if someone wants to >> consider both under the same genus. But there are very distinct differences >> between the two genera. The new combination of Chionachne gigantea with all >> the others being treated as synonyms is published in the revision of >> Chionachne in Blumea. But definitely there is some mistake. I have not yet >> gone through the full paper of revision of Chionachne published in Blumea. >> Once I get a copy of this and go through, I will respond further. >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:42 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included >>> in subpage Chionachne gigantea >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/poaceae/chionachne/chionachne-gigantea> >>> are Chionachne gigantea and not Coix species ? >>> How to differentiate two genera ? - from Rakesh ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rakeshpsi...@gmail.com> >>> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 20:12 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> >>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included >>> in subpage Chinoachne gigantea are Chinoachne gigantea and not Coix species >>> ? >>> How to differentiate two genera ? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/73b939a1-edbb-4ac9-8508-d9f0cf53c512%40googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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