nice discussion

but i dont see the paper sent in by Rakesh

Regards
Ushadi


On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Rakesh Singh,
> Thank you very much for the document. I have gone through it in detail.
> The treatment of Chionachne gigantea is not at all convincing. Chionachne
> koengii is a very good species and cannot be equated with Coix gigantea or
> Chionachne gigantea. The illustration provided against Chionachne gigantea
> is actually Coix gigantea and does not in any way match other Chionachne
> species. I suggest authors should retain the name Chionachne koengii, which
> is not that common and very much different from Coix gigantea, which is
> actually very common. The introductory part of the revision is also very
> vague and lacks proper structure to understand.
> Regards...
> Manoj Chandran
>
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 10:18, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji,
>> Currently WCSP <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do?name_id=526589>
>> gives as below:
>> *Polytoca** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Mabb., Mabberley's Pl.-Book, ed. 4:
>> 1102 (2017).Homotypic Names:
>>
>>    - * *Coix** gigantea* J.Koenig, Naturforscher (Halle) 23: 211 (1788).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405627>
>>    - *Sphaerium** giganteum* (J.Koenig) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 793
>>    (1891). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=443848>
>>    - *Coix** lacryma-jobi* var.* gigantea* (J.Koenig) Stapf in
>>    J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: 100 (1896).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405638>
>>    - *Chionachne** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Veldkamp, Blumea 47: 559 (2002).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404603>
>>    - * Basionym/Replaced Synonym
>>
>> Heterotypic Synonyms:
>>
>>    - *Coix** arundinacea* J.Koenig ex Willd., Sp. Pl., ed. 4, 4: 203
>>    (1805), nom. illeg.
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405617>
>>    - *Coix** koenigii* Spreng., Syst. Veg. 1: 228 (1824).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405631>
>>    - *Coix** barbata* Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. 1832, 3: 569 (1832).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405618>
>>    - *Coix** crypsoides* Müll.Hal., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 19: 334 (1861).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405621>
>>    - *Chionachne** koenigii* (Spreng.) Thwaites, Enum. Pl. Zeyl.: 357
>>    (1864). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404606>
>>    - *Chionachne** barbata* (Roxb.) R.Br. ex Aitch., Cat. Pl. Punjab
>>    Sindh: 157 (1869).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404600>
>>    - *Polytoca** barbata* (Roxb.) Stapf in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India
>>    7: 102 (1896).
>>    <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=438146>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 09:34, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Manoj Chandran
>>> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:49
>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne
>>> To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> The page contains both Chionachne koenigii (the pench photo) and many of
>>> the other photos are Coix spp., Coix aquatica (Orissa photo), Coix
>>> lachryma-jobi and Coix gigantea (both Hoogly photos) and also male
>>> spikelets of Polytoca digitata (The Thane photos which myself had
>>> misidentified as Coix gigantea male spikelets). The Guntur photos as again
>>> Chionachne koenigii.
>>> It is clear that Chionachne koenigii is definitely different from Coix
>>> gigantea even when treated as Chionachne gigantea. As per priority rule,
>>> the genus Coix will prevail over Chionachne, even if someone wants to
>>> consider both under the same genus. But there are very distinct differences
>>> between the two genera. The new combination of Chionachne gigantea with all
>>> the others being treated as synonyms is published in the revision of
>>> Chionachne in Blumea. But definitely there is some mistake. I have not yet
>>> gone through the full paper of revision of Chionachne published in Blumea.
>>> Once I get a copy of this and go through, I will respond further.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:42 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included
>>>> in subpage Chionachne gigantea
>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/poaceae/chionachne/chionachne-gigantea>
>>>> are Chionachne gigantea and not Coix species ?
>>>> How to differentiate two genera ? - from Rakesh ji.
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rakeshpsi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 20:12
>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne
>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included
>>>> in subpage Chinoachne gigantea are Chinoachne gigantea and not Coix species
>>>> ?
>>>> How to differentiate two genera ?
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