nice discussion but i dont see the paper sent in by Rakesh
Regards Ushadi On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dr. Rakesh Singh, > Thank you very much for the document. I have gone through it in detail. > The treatment of Chionachne gigantea is not at all convincing. Chionachne > koengii is a very good species and cannot be equated with Coix gigantea or > Chionachne gigantea. The illustration provided against Chionachne gigantea > is actually Coix gigantea and does not in any way match other Chionachne > species. I suggest authors should retain the name Chionachne koengii, which > is not that common and very much different from Coix gigantea, which is > actually very common. The introductory part of the revision is also very > vague and lacks proper structure to understand. > Regards... > Manoj Chandran > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 10:18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji, >> Currently WCSP <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do?name_id=526589> >> gives as below: >> *Polytoca** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Mabb., Mabberley's Pl.-Book, ed. 4: >> 1102 (2017).Homotypic Names: >> >> - * *Coix** gigantea* J.Koenig, Naturforscher (Halle) 23: 211 (1788). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405627> >> - *Sphaerium** giganteum* (J.Koenig) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 793 >> (1891). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=443848> >> - *Coix** lacryma-jobi* var.* gigantea* (J.Koenig) Stapf in >> J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: 100 (1896). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405638> >> - *Chionachne** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Veldkamp, Blumea 47: 559 (2002). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404603> >> - * Basionym/Replaced Synonym >> >> Heterotypic Synonyms: >> >> - *Coix** arundinacea* J.Koenig ex Willd., Sp. Pl., ed. 4, 4: 203 >> (1805), nom. illeg. >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405617> >> - *Coix** koenigii* Spreng., Syst. Veg. 1: 228 (1824). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405631> >> - *Coix** barbata* Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. 1832, 3: 569 (1832). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405618> >> - *Coix** crypsoides* Müll.Hal., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 19: 334 (1861). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405621> >> - *Chionachne** koenigii* (Spreng.) Thwaites, Enum. Pl. Zeyl.: 357 >> (1864). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404606> >> - *Chionachne** barbata* (Roxb.) R.Br. ex Aitch., Cat. Pl. Punjab >> Sindh: 157 (1869). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404600> >> - *Polytoca** barbata* (Roxb.) Stapf in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India >> 7: 102 (1896). >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=438146> >> >> >> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 09:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Manoj Chandran >>> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:49 >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> The page contains both Chionachne koenigii (the pench photo) and many of >>> the other photos are Coix spp., Coix aquatica (Orissa photo), Coix >>> lachryma-jobi and Coix gigantea (both Hoogly photos) and also male >>> spikelets of Polytoca digitata (The Thane photos which myself had >>> misidentified as Coix gigantea male spikelets). The Guntur photos as again >>> Chionachne koenigii. >>> It is clear that Chionachne koenigii is definitely different from Coix >>> gigantea even when treated as Chionachne gigantea. As per priority rule, >>> the genus Coix will prevail over Chionachne, even if someone wants to >>> consider both under the same genus. But there are very distinct differences >>> between the two genera. The new combination of Chionachne gigantea with all >>> the others being treated as synonyms is published in the revision of >>> Chionachne in Blumea. But definitely there is some mistake. I have not yet >>> gone through the full paper of revision of Chionachne published in Blumea. >>> Once I get a copy of this and go through, I will respond further. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:42 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included >>>> in subpage Chionachne gigantea >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/poaceae/chionachne/chionachne-gigantea> >>>> are Chionachne gigantea and not Coix species ? >>>> How to differentiate two genera ? - from Rakesh ji. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 20:12 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts included >>>> in subpage Chinoachne gigantea are Chinoachne gigantea and not Coix species >>>> ? >>>> How to differentiate two genera ? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/73b939a1-edbb-4ac9-8508-d9f0cf53c512%40googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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