is it possible for me to see it, please Regards Ushadi
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Paper sent separately to him. > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 16:15, ushadi <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> nice discussion >> >> but i dont see the paper sent in by Rakesh >> >> Regards >> Ushadi >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr. Rakesh Singh, >>> Thank you very much for the document. I have gone through it in detail. >>> The treatment of Chionachne gigantea is not at all convincing. Chionachne >>> koengii is a very good species and cannot be equated with Coix gigantea or >>> Chionachne gigantea. The illustration provided against Chionachne gigantea >>> is actually Coix gigantea and does not in any way match other Chionachne >>> species. I suggest authors should retain the name Chionachne koengii, which >>> is not that common and very much different from Coix gigantea, which is >>> actually very common. The introductory part of the revision is also very >>> vague and lacks proper structure to understand. >>> Regards... >>> Manoj Chandran >>> >>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 10:18, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji, >>>> Currently WCSP >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do?name_id=526589> gives as >>>> below: >>>> *Polytoca** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Mabb., Mabberley's Pl.-Book, ed. 4: >>>> 1102 (2017).Homotypic Names: >>>> >>>> - * *Coix** gigantea* J.Koenig, Naturforscher (Halle) 23: 211 >>>> (1788). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405627> >>>> - *Sphaerium** giganteum* (J.Koenig) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 793 >>>> (1891). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=443848> >>>> - *Coix** lacryma-jobi* var.* gigantea* (J.Koenig) Stapf in >>>> J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: 100 (1896). >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405638> >>>> - *Chionachne** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Veldkamp, Blumea 47: 559 >>>> (2002). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404603> >>>> - * Basionym/Replaced Synonym >>>> >>>> Heterotypic Synonyms: >>>> >>>> - *Coix** arundinacea* J.Koenig ex Willd., Sp. Pl., ed. 4, 4: 203 >>>> (1805), nom. illeg. >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405617> >>>> - *Coix** koenigii* Spreng., Syst. Veg. 1: 228 (1824). >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405631> >>>> - *Coix** barbata* Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. 1832, 3: 569 (1832). >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405618> >>>> - *Coix** crypsoides* Müll.Hal., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 19: 334 >>>> (1861). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405621> >>>> - *Chionachne** koenigii* (Spreng.) Thwaites, Enum. Pl. Zeyl.: 357 >>>> (1864). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404606> >>>> - *Chionachne** barbata* (Roxb.) R.Br. ex Aitch., Cat. Pl. Punjab >>>> Sindh: 157 (1869). >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404600> >>>> - *Polytoca** barbata* (Roxb.) Stapf in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India >>>> 7: 102 (1896). >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=438146> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 09:34, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Manoj Chandran >>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:49 >>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>>>> To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The page contains both Chionachne koenigii (the pench photo) and many >>>>> of the other photos are Coix spp., Coix aquatica (Orissa photo), Coix >>>>> lachryma-jobi and Coix gigantea (both Hoogly photos) and also male >>>>> spikelets of Polytoca digitata (The Thane photos which myself had >>>>> misidentified as Coix gigantea male spikelets). The Guntur photos as again >>>>> Chionachne koenigii. >>>>> It is clear that Chionachne koenigii is definitely different from Coix >>>>> gigantea even when treated as Chionachne gigantea. As per priority rule, >>>>> the genus Coix will prevail over Chionachne, even if someone wants to >>>>> consider both under the same genus. But there are very distinct >>>>> differences >>>>> between the two genera. The new combination of Chionachne gigantea with >>>>> all >>>>> the others being treated as synonyms is published in the revision of >>>>> Chionachne in Blumea. But definitely there is some mistake. I have not yet >>>>> gone through the full paper of revision of Chionachne published in Blumea. >>>>> Once I get a copy of this and go through, I will respond further. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:42 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts >>>>>> included in subpage Chionachne gigantea >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/poaceae/chionachne/chionachne-gigantea> >>>>>> are Chionachne gigantea and not Coix species ? >>>>>> How to differentiate two genera ? - from Rakesh ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rakeshpsi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 20:12 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts >>>>>> included in subpage Chinoachne gigantea are Chinoachne gigantea and not >>>>>> Coix species ? >>>>>> How to differentiate two genera ? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/73b939a1-edbb-4ac9-8508-d9f0cf53c512%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>> of India'. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>> >>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>>> India'. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFBFfELhu2LvaeG7pd4Ob7erBSc3rB2n4kUZF%2BZD%2BaR91Q%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFBFfELhu2LvaeG7pd4Ob7erBSc3rB2n4kUZF%2BZD%2BaR91Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CANAwU1W4TsQB2J3PWZ_MqP8Uni_XRL9%3Dh-edSspx6zDLV1B%2BGw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CANAwU1W4TsQB2J3PWZ_MqP8Uni_XRL9%3Dh-edSspx6zDLV1B%2BGw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than > 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CANAwU1W7g%2BxJTvNsEEGhe7_L%3D%3Dw%2Bng70DpY0E9y%2Bm1RkJqYcTw%40mail.gmail.com.
