Paper sent separately to him. On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 16:15, ushadi <[email protected]> wrote:
> nice discussion > > but i dont see the paper sent in by Rakesh > > Regards > Ushadi > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dr. Rakesh Singh, >> Thank you very much for the document. I have gone through it in detail. >> The treatment of Chionachne gigantea is not at all convincing. Chionachne >> koengii is a very good species and cannot be equated with Coix gigantea or >> Chionachne gigantea. The illustration provided against Chionachne gigantea >> is actually Coix gigantea and does not in any way match other Chionachne >> species. I suggest authors should retain the name Chionachne koengii, which >> is not that common and very much different from Coix gigantea, which is >> actually very common. The introductory part of the revision is also very >> vague and lacks proper structure to understand. >> Regards... >> Manoj Chandran >> >> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 10:18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji, >>> Currently WCSP <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/synonomy.do?name_id=526589> >>> gives as below: >>> *Polytoca** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Mabb., Mabberley's Pl.-Book, ed. 4: >>> 1102 (2017).Homotypic Names: >>> >>> - * *Coix** gigantea* J.Koenig, Naturforscher (Halle) 23: 211 (1788). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405627> >>> - *Sphaerium** giganteum* (J.Koenig) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 793 >>> (1891). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=443848> >>> - *Coix** lacryma-jobi* var.* gigantea* (J.Koenig) Stapf in >>> J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 7: 100 (1896). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405638> >>> - *Chionachne** gigantea* (J.Koenig) Veldkamp, Blumea 47: 559 (2002). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404603> >>> - * Basionym/Replaced Synonym >>> >>> Heterotypic Synonyms: >>> >>> - *Coix** arundinacea* J.Koenig ex Willd., Sp. Pl., ed. 4, 4: 203 >>> (1805), nom. illeg. >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405617> >>> - *Coix** koenigii* Spreng., Syst. Veg. 1: 228 (1824). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405631> >>> - *Coix** barbata* Roxb., Fl. Ind. ed. 1832, 3: 569 (1832). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405618> >>> - *Coix** crypsoides* Müll.Hal., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 19: 334 >>> (1861). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=405621> >>> - *Chionachne** koenigii* (Spreng.) Thwaites, Enum. Pl. Zeyl.: 357 >>> (1864). <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404606> >>> - *Chionachne** barbata* (Roxb.) R.Br. ex Aitch., Cat. Pl. Punjab >>> Sindh: 157 (1869). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=404600> >>> - *Polytoca** barbata* (Roxb.) Stapf in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India >>> 7: 102 (1896). >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=438146> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 09:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, Manoj ji. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Manoj Chandran >>>> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:49 >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> The page contains both Chionachne koenigii (the pench photo) and many >>>> of the other photos are Coix spp., Coix aquatica (Orissa photo), Coix >>>> lachryma-jobi and Coix gigantea (both Hoogly photos) and also male >>>> spikelets of Polytoca digitata (The Thane photos which myself had >>>> misidentified as Coix gigantea male spikelets). The Guntur photos as again >>>> Chionachne koenigii. >>>> It is clear that Chionachne koenigii is definitely different from Coix >>>> gigantea even when treated as Chionachne gigantea. As per priority rule, >>>> the genus Coix will prevail over Chionachne, even if someone wants to >>>> consider both under the same genus. But there are very distinct differences >>>> between the two genera. The new combination of Chionachne gigantea with all >>>> the others being treated as synonyms is published in the revision of >>>> Chionachne in Blumea. But definitely there is some mistake. I have not yet >>>> gone through the full paper of revision of Chionachne published in Blumea. >>>> Once I get a copy of this and go through, I will respond further. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:42 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts >>>>> included in subpage Chionachne gigantea >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/poaceae/chionachne/chionachne-gigantea> >>>>> are Chionachne gigantea and not Coix species ? >>>>> How to differentiate two genera ? - from Rakesh ji. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 20:12 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:334650] Coix vs Chinoachne >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is a question to Poaceae experts ...Are we sure the posts >>>>> included in subpage Chinoachne gigantea are Chinoachne gigantea and not >>>>> Coix species ? >>>>> How to differentiate two genera ? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/73b939a1-edbb-4ac9-8508-d9f0cf53c512%40googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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