Thanks, Ashwini ji. Flowers of Himalayas gives flower size as 2 cm compared to 1-1.5 cm across given here. Stipules are not mention in the Flowers of Himalayas. So may not be key feature. Further, we have seen stipules are quite variable and differing in different sources for other species. Mostly descriptions are written from specimens, I do not know how come odour has been mentioned in the books. Also this is one character, which is quite subjective and may vary from one individual to another. In all, we may take such plants from Himachal as Viola indica, for the time being, being closest to it among all other species recorded here.
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 17:29, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > Not matching, odour, size and the stipules which are described as: > > *stipules lanceolate-ovate, margin entire, apex acuminate, persistent,* > > otherwise it matches our flowers here. > > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:42, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with your id as spur appears to be longer. >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:12, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal >>> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a >>> description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just >>> because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I >>> included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This picture >>> is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken at >>> the same time as the second pic. >>> I attach another one with the spur visible. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers >>>> of the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >>>> >>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 >>>>> cm- I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>>>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur longer >>>>>> than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can guide me how >>>>>> to >>>>>> measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of flowers and >>>>>> measure again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may be >>>>>>> the key. >>>>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>> *Flore Simlensis* makes no mention of it but *Flowers of the >>>>>>>> Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching both >>>>>>>> for reference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>>> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be having >>>>>>>> like Flora simlensis etc. ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on *Viola >>>>>>>>> indica* as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers >>>>>>>>> here (which we have been discussing under *V. pilosa*). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>>>>> I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola >>>>>>>>> pilosa >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>>>>> Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. >>>>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Viola pilosa >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>>>>>>>> Viola canescens >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Viola pilosa >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>>>>>>>> Viola canescens >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could not find them on net. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I found only 2 specimen of Viola indica >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/7296353>, but here also >>>>>>>>> flowers are not clear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 16:37 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:346550] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, >>>>>>>>> Uttarakhand >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Viola indica* from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand >>>>>>>>> found blooming in April. >>>>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) >>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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