Thanks, Ashwini ji. On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 22:12, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Mr. Garg. This is precisely the reason why this genus is giving > us so much trouble. I have trawled through the FOC pdf file on Viola and > think even the species at the link is a close match but not quite there: > > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250073309 > > Perhaps we could have it listed as indica with 'tentative' in the brackets > to alert the user. We can give reasons for it being uncertain. > > The descriptions in different floras vary in precision and quality as can > be expected. Also, tackling hundreds of species in one volume does not > allow the author to give the time demanded by each individual plant. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > On Thu, 9 Apr, 2020, 9:52 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >> Flowers of Himalayas gives flower size as 2 cm compared to 1-1.5 cm >> across given here. >> Stipules are not mention in the Flowers of Himalayas. So may not be key >> feature. Further, we have seen stipules are quite variable and differing in >> different sources for other species. >> Mostly descriptions are written from specimens, I do not know how >> come odour has been mentioned in the books. Also this is one character, >> which is quite subjective and may vary from one individual to another. >> In all, we may take such plants from Himachal as Viola indica, for the >> time being, being closest to it among all other species recorded here. >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 17:29, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Not matching, odour, size and the stipules which are described as: >>> >>> *stipules lanceolate-ovate, margin entire, apex acuminate, persistent,* >>> >>> otherwise it matches our flowers here. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:42, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with your id as spur appears to be longer. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:12, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal >>>>> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a >>>>> description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just >>>>> because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I >>>>> included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This >>>>> picture >>>>> is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken >>>>> at >>>>> the same time as the second pic. >>>>> I attach another one with the spur visible. >>>>> Tabish >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers >>>>>> of the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 >>>>>>> cm- I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>>>>>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur >>>>>>>> longer than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can >>>>>>>> guide me >>>>>>>> how to measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of >>>>>>>> flowers and >>>>>>>> measure again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may >>>>>>>>> be the key. >>>>>>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>>>> *Flore Simlensis* makes no mention of it but *Flowers of the >>>>>>>>>> Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching >>>>>>>>>> both for reference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>>>>> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be >>>>>>>>>> having like Flora simlensis etc. ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on *Viola >>>>>>>>>>> indica* as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our >>>>>>>>>>> flowers here (which we have been discussing under *V. pilosa*). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>>>>>>> I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola >>>>>>>>>>> pilosa >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. >>>>>>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Viola pilosa >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>>>>>>>>>> Viola canescens >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Viola pilosa >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>>>>>>>>>> Viola canescens >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I could not find them on net. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I found only 2 specimen of Viola indica >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/7296353>, but here also >>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not clear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 16:37 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:346550] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, >>>>>>>>>>> Uttarakhand >>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Viola indica* from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand >>>>>>>>>>> found blooming in April. >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>> e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>>>>>>>> (largest >>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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