Dear Saroj, I did go through the mail. However, I could not find how Malva verticillata has been ruled out. All I could see is this: "Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza. Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this." Is there something more that I missed? Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:25 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > No Tabish, latest suggestion is Malva pamiroalaica Iljin . Please check > the mail. > Thank you. > Saroj Kasaju > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:22 pm, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It does look like >> * Malva verticillata * >> See the images and herbaria here: >> >> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:561971-1 >> It is found in the Himalayas too. Has fascicled pinkish flowers. >> Tabish >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:40 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Tabish, >>> >>> Please check and do the needful. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> Forwarded Conversation >>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:52 PM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear Members , >>> >>> Sharing some pictures for ID shot in Nubra Valley on 21 August 2014 at >>> 11000 ft. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> >>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>> . >>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:12 AM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: C CHADWELL >>> Date: 23 September 2016 at 23:25 >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Yes, a Malva. >>> >>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>> these lists do not fully tally. >>> >>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>> along irrigation channels in one part >>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>> Dickore >>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>> *M.parviflora*. >>> >>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>> is not) as commonly >>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>> sometimes appearing to >>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>> >>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in >>> the 19th Century in Hunza. >>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>> >>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in >>> Ladakh, so not* >>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - which >>> has been confirmed* >>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>> *M.sinensis.* >>> >>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>> thoughts/contributions to help this process. * >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> SLOUGH >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> SL3 8BE >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> UK >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, 23 September 2016, 11:22 >>> *Subject:* Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:44 PM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> >>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>> . >>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>> Yes, a Malva. >>> >>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>> these lists do not fully tally. >>> >>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>> along irrigation channels in one part >>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>> Dickore >>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>> *M.parviflora*. >>> >>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>> is not) as commonly >>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>> sometimes appearing to >>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>> >>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in >>> the 19th Century in Hunza. >>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>> >>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in >>> Ladakh, so not* >>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - which >>> has been confirmed* >>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>> *M.sinensis.* >>> >>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>> thoughts/ contributions to help this process. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell * >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Date: 21 September 2016 at 18:37 >>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:10 PM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> I tried further checking on net. >>> Did not find any images of *M. pamiroalaica * >>> >>> Images of *M.pusilla *looked different at >>> http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911 >>> >>> Appears close to images of *Malva parviflora *L. as per >>> http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm >>> >>> Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at >>> http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:33 AM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: C CHADWELL >>> Date: 28 September 2016 at 23:54 >>> Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for additional images etc. >>> >>> Have just spotted that Stewart did list *M.pusilla* in his catalogue >>> but only as a doubtful species - >>> recorded from Karachi.... >>> >>> I am in agreement that the images from Nubra do not match those (or >>> others I have seen) of *M.pusilla.* >>> >>> The images we have do not show the flowers fully open or fruits, so that >>> makes things harder. >>> >>> It has similarities to the images of *M.sinensis* but I am uncertain >>> still. >>> >>> We have *M.neglecta* in UK. The image I have seen of this does not >>> match. >>> >>> *Do not know what M.pamirolaica is and how to distinguish from >>> M.neglecta - they presumably must be* >>> *similar for the comment that it may have been misidentified as >>> M.neglecta.* >>> >>> *Still unsure.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell81 Parlaunt Road >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SLOUGH >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SL3 >>> 8BE >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>UK >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>> <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> ------------------------------ From: J.M. Garg >>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> To: efloraofindia >>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Cc: Saroj >>> Kasaju <[email protected] <[email protected]>>; D.S Rawat >>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Sent: >>> Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 8:25 Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID * >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM >>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Malva pusilla Sm. ?? >>> >>> http://botanicalillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=637906 >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:27 PM >>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Malvaceae >>> >>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin – 2, 13, 18, 19, 22 [2483], 23, 27. Weed in >>> potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled dumpy sites in villages, along >>> roads, in ditches and along irrigation ca- nals. Previously possibly >>> misidentified as M. parviflora, see Stewart (1972). ?? >>> >>> A contribution to the vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh >>> ...www.butbn.cas.cz › ladakh › pdf › Klimes_Dickore >>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&ved=2ahUKEwjciZabxNjoAhVTyDgGHQChBHwQFjAQegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.butbn.cas.cz%2Fladakh%2Fpdf%2FKlimes_Dickore.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2EbmadUmKutM7-fOUiVgLr> >>> >>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin <https://www.gbif.org/species/3933195> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:32 PM >>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Yes, May be possible. >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>> 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>> >>> >>> -- > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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