I find Malva verticillata <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-verticillata> to be different as per images herein.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 12:59, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > M. verticillata images in the net showing erect plants whereas this one is > something like runner > which looks matching with Malva pamiroalaica Iljin and also mentioned > recorded in Ladakh > according link above . > This is my opinion! > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 AM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Saroj, >> I did go through the mail. However, I could not find how Malva >> verticillata has been ruled out. All I could see is this: >> "Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in >> the 19th Century in Hunza. >> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this." >> Is there something more that I missed? >> Tabish >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:25 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> No Tabish, latest suggestion is Malva pamiroalaica Iljin . Please check >>> the mail. >>> Thank you. >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:22 pm, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It does look like >>>> * Malva verticillata * >>>> See the images and herbaria here: >>>> >>>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:561971-1 >>>> It is found in the Himalayas too. Has fascicled pinkish flowers. >>>> Tabish >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:40 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Tabish, >>>>> >>>>> Please check and do the needful. >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> Forwarded Conversation >>>>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>>> ------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:52 PM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Members , >>>>> >>>>> Sharing some pictures for ID shot in Nubra Valley on 21 August 2014 at >>>>> 11000 ft. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> >>>>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>>>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>>>> . >>>>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>> >>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>>> India'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:12 AM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: C CHADWELL >>>>> Date: 23 September 2016 at 23:25 >>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, a Malva. >>>>> >>>>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>>>> these lists do not fully tally. >>>>> >>>>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>>>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>>>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>>>> along irrigation channels in one part >>>>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>>>> Dickore >>>>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>>>> *M.parviflora*. >>>>> >>>>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>>>> is not) as commonly >>>>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>>>> sometimes appearing to >>>>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>>>> >>>>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded >>>>> in the 19th Century in Hunza. >>>>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>>>> >>>>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation >>>>> in Ladakh, so not* >>>>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - >>>>> which has been confirmed* >>>>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>>>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>>>> *M.sinensis.* >>>>> >>>>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>>>> thoughts/contributions to help this process. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Wishes, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Chadwell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> SLOUGH >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> SL3 8BE >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> UK >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 23 September 2016, 11:22 >>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:44 PM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> >>>>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>>>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>>>> . >>>>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>>>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>>>> Yes, a Malva. >>>>> >>>>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>>>> these lists do not fully tally. >>>>> >>>>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>>>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>>>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>>>> along irrigation channels in one part >>>>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>>>> Dickore >>>>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>>>> *M.parviflora*. >>>>> >>>>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>>>> is not) as commonly >>>>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>>>> sometimes appearing to >>>>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>>>> >>>>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded >>>>> in the 19th Century in Hunza. >>>>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>>>> >>>>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation >>>>> in Ladakh, so not* >>>>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - >>>>> which has been confirmed* >>>>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>>>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>>>> *M.sinensis.* >>>>> >>>>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>>>> thoughts/ contributions to help this process. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 21 September 2016 at 18:37 >>>>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:10 PM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I tried further checking on net. >>>>> Did not find any images of *M. pamiroalaica * >>>>> >>>>> Images of *M.pusilla *looked different at >>>>> http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911 >>>>> >>>>> Appears close to images of *Malva parviflora *L. as per >>>>> http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm >>>>> >>>>> Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at >>>>> http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:33 AM >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: C CHADWELL >>>>> Date: 28 September 2016 at 23:54 >>>>> Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for additional images etc. >>>>> >>>>> Have just spotted that Stewart did list *M.pusilla* in his catalogue >>>>> but only as a doubtful species - >>>>> recorded from Karachi.... >>>>> >>>>> I am in agreement that the images from Nubra do not match those (or >>>>> others I have seen) of *M.pusilla.* >>>>> >>>>> The images we have do not show the flowers fully open or fruits, so >>>>> that makes things harder. >>>>> >>>>> It has similarities to the images of *M.sinensis* but I am uncertain >>>>> still. >>>>> >>>>> We have *M.neglecta* in UK. The image I have seen of this does not >>>>> match. >>>>> >>>>> *Do not know what M.pamirolaica is and how to distinguish from >>>>> M.neglecta - they presumably must be* >>>>> *similar for the comment that it may have been misidentified as >>>>> M.neglecta.* >>>>> >>>>> *Still unsure.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell81 Parlaunt Road >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SLOUGH >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SL3 >>>>> 8BE >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>UK >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>>>> <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> ------------------------------ From: J.M. Garg >>>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> To: efloraofindia >>>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Cc: >>>>> Saroj >>>>> Kasaju <[email protected] <[email protected]>>; D.S Rawat >>>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 8:25 Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM >>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Malva pusilla Sm. ?? >>>>> >>>>> http://botanicalillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=637906 >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:27 PM >>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Malvaceae >>>>> >>>>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin – 2, 13, 18, 19, 22 [2483], 23, 27. Weed in >>>>> potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled dumpy sites in villages, >>>>> along >>>>> roads, in ditches and along irrigation ca- nals. Previously possibly >>>>> misidentified as M. parviflora, see Stewart (1972). ?? >>>>> >>>>> A contribution to the vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh >>>>> ...www.butbn.cas.cz › ladakh › pdf › Klimes_Dickore >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&ved=2ahUKEwjciZabxNjoAhVTyDgGHQChBHwQFjAQegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.butbn.cas.cz%2Fladakh%2Fpdf%2FKlimes_Dickore.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2EbmadUmKutM7-fOUiVgLr> >>>>> >>>>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin <https://www.gbif.org/species/3933195> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:32 PM >>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, May be possible. >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >> -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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