M. verticillata images in the net showing erect plants whereas this one is something like runner which looks matching with Malva pamiroalaica Iljin and also mentioned recorded in Ladakh according link above . This is my opinion! Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 AM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Saroj, > I did go through the mail. However, I could not find how Malva > verticillata has been ruled out. All I could see is this: > "Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in > the 19th Century in Hunza. > Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this." > Is there something more that I missed? > Tabish > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:25 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> No Tabish, latest suggestion is Malva pamiroalaica Iljin . Please check >> the mail. >> Thank you. >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 11:22 pm, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It does look like >>> * Malva verticillata * >>> See the images and herbaria here: >>> >>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:561971-1 >>> It is found in the Himalayas too. Has fascicled pinkish flowers. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:40 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Tabish, >>>> >>>> Please check and do the needful. >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> Forwarded Conversation >>>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>> ------------------------ >>>> >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:52 PM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Members , >>>> >>>> Sharing some pictures for ID shot in Nubra Valley on 21 August 2014 at >>>> 11000 ft. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> >>>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>>> . >>>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:12 AM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: C CHADWELL >>>> Date: 23 September 2016 at 23:25 >>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, a Malva. >>>> >>>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>>> these lists do not fully tally. >>>> >>>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>>> along irrigation channels in one part >>>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>>> Dickore >>>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>>> *M.parviflora*. >>>> >>>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>>> is not) as commonly >>>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>>> sometimes appearing to >>>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>>> >>>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in >>>> the 19th Century in Hunza. >>>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>>> >>>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in >>>> Ladakh, so not* >>>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - >>>> which has been confirmed* >>>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>>> *M.sinensis.* >>>> >>>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>>> thoughts/contributions to help this process. * >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Chadwell >>>> >>>> >>>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> SLOUGH >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> SL3 8BE >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> UK >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, 23 September 2016, 11:22 >>>> *Subject:* Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:44 PM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> >>>> Malva sp. (Malvaceae). >>>> Please compare with images in *eFI* >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/malva/malva-neglecta> >>>> . >>>> Elevation suggest M. neglecta. >>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>> Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4X0q1BtI7kM> >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/h0ha5G8ydwA> >>>> Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 :: >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/V5LHV6C5AUM> >>>> Yes, a Malva. >>>> >>>> Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh. Stewart listed 4 species - >>>> these lists do not fully tally. >>>> >>>> Klimes records *Malva pamiroalaica* Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) >>>> as a weed in potato and corn fields, >>>> in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and >>>> along irrigation channels in one part >>>> of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread. >>>> Dickore >>>> thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as >>>> *M.parviflora*. >>>> >>>> Stewart records *M.sylvestris* (which the plant photographed by Saroj >>>> is not) as commonly >>>> cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, >>>> sometimes appearing to >>>> be self-sown. But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. >>>> >>>> Stewart also lists *M.verticillata* - an erect field weed, recorded in >>>> the 19th Century in Hunza. >>>> Again, Dickore & Klimes do not mention this. >>>> >>>> *My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in >>>> Ladakh, so not* >>>> *in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - >>>> which has been confirmed* >>>> *as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), >>>> M.parviflora, M.pusilla and* >>>> *M.sinensis.* >>>> >>>> *Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other >>>> thoughts/ contributions to help this process. * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 21 September 2016 at 18:37 >>>> Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:10 PM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> I tried further checking on net. >>>> Did not find any images of *M. pamiroalaica * >>>> >>>> Images of *M.pusilla *looked different at >>>> http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911 >>>> >>>> Appears close to images of *Malva parviflora *L. as per >>>> http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm >>>> >>>> Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at >>>> http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:33 AM >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: C CHADWELL >>>> Date: 28 September 2016 at 23:54 >>>> Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID >>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for additional images etc. >>>> >>>> Have just spotted that Stewart did list *M.pusilla* in his catalogue >>>> but only as a doubtful species - >>>> recorded from Karachi.... >>>> >>>> I am in agreement that the images from Nubra do not match those (or >>>> others I have seen) of *M.pusilla.* >>>> >>>> The images we have do not show the flowers fully open or fruits, so >>>> that makes things harder. >>>> >>>> It has similarities to the images of *M.sinensis* but I am uncertain >>>> still. >>>> >>>> We have *M.neglecta* in UK. The image I have seen of this does not >>>> match. >>>> >>>> *Do not know what M.pamirolaica is and how to distinguish from >>>> M.neglecta - they presumably must be* >>>> *similar for the comment that it may have been misidentified as >>>> M.neglecta.* >>>> >>>> *Still unsure.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell81 Parlaunt Road >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SLOUGH >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>SL3 >>>> 8BE >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>UK >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g>http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>>> <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> ------------------------------ From: J.M. Garg >>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> To: efloraofindia >>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Cc: Saroj >>>> Kasaju <[email protected] <[email protected]>>; D.S Rawat >>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> Sent: >>>> Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 8:25 Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID * >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM >>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Malva pusilla Sm. ?? >>>> >>>> http://botanicalillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=637906 >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:27 PM >>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Malvaceae >>>> >>>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin – 2, 13, 18, 19, 22 [2483], 23, 27. Weed in >>>> potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled dumpy sites in villages, along >>>> roads, in ditches and along irrigation ca- nals. Previously possibly >>>> misidentified as M. parviflora, see Stewart (1972). ?? >>>> >>>> A contribution to the vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh >>>> ...www.butbn.cas.cz › ladakh › pdf › Klimes_Dickore >>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&ved=2ahUKEwjciZabxNjoAhVTyDgGHQChBHwQFjAQegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.butbn.cas.cz%2Fladakh%2Fpdf%2FKlimes_Dickore.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2EbmadUmKutM7-fOUiVgLr> >>>> >>>> Malva pamiroalaica Iljin <https://www.gbif.org/species/3933195> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:32 PM >>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, D.S Rawat < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, May be possible. >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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