Thanks, Surajit ji -- With regards, J. M. Garg
On Fri, 30 Apr, 2021, 7:19 pm surajit koley, <[email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > In the type species of *U. argentea*, the "REVISION" describes : > "monocarps numerous, red or purple ..... *glabrous*," > In case of *U. argentea* var. *bracteata*, the "REVISION" describes : > "differs from the type ..... petals, and the leaves .... obovate." *(No > difference in monocarps noted in the 'revision')*. > > *Monocarps in Sawmliana ji's picture are densely tomentose* > So, I do not think it can be *U. argentea* var. *bracteata*. > > On the other hand, the description in the "revision" of *U. hamiltonii* > monocarps > : "monocarps 10-14, gloose to oblong ..... green turning red .... outer > surface ferrugino-tomentose .... > So, I think this is the plant what I see in FoI - > https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html > > > Thank you. > Best regards, > Surajit Koley > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 17:49, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Can it be *Uvaria argentea* Bl. var. *bracteata *as per GBIF >> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=3156920>- specimen >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48262354742_3ff3cc3104_o_d.jpg> >> ? >> >> >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 16:55, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>> What is worrying me is the colour of the fruit. >>> I could not find any mention in the descriptions in the revision as well >>> as in FBI >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/uvaria-hamiltonii-hookf-thomson-2> >>> and >>> also in the GBIF >>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=3154362> - specimens >>> one >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441303797685UYjl6u0kNCPO198B>, >>> two >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1770631%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>> and three >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1443509695466Hqigth1MvsLVpYTw> >>> and >>> four >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441303774929ntdVD65xxh7w3O1L> >>> . >>> >>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 18:28, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is *Uvaria hamiltonii H.f. & T (var, hamiltonii)*. >>>> >>>> One problem area is that the Paper, "A revised Taxonomy for Uvaria >>>> (Annonaceae)in Continental Asia" doesn't recognise its presence in that >>>> region. But Sawmliana ji has taken care of it - >>>> https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> Best regards, >>>> Surajit Koley >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 20:13, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir, I downloaded the "paper", from BioOne >>>>> <https://bioone.org/journals/australian-systematic-botany/volume-31/issue-4/SB17051/A-revised-taxonomy-for-Uvaria-Annonaceae-in-continental-Asia/10.1071/SB17051.short#:~:text=A%20revised%20taxonomy%20for%20Uvaria%20(Annonaceae)%20in%20continental%20Asia&text=This%20paper%20presents%20a%20revision%20of%20Uvaria%20L.&text=Thirty%2Dthree%20species%20and%20species,Cyathostemma%20Griff.%2C%20Ellipeia%20Hook.>,(open >>>>> access), about a month ago and already flipped itrs pages, but it didn't >>>>> help. >>>>> because - >>>>> *Identification KEY starts with flower character*, which is not >>>>> available in this discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I would request Swamliana ji to provide details like leaf and fruit >>>>> size, if possible >>>>> or, alternatively >>>>> request him to go through the paper and decide himself. >>>>> Another literature might (or might not) help - >>>>> https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/85005#page/3/mode/1up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 14:05, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Surajit. >>>>>> Sending you the paper separately only, in case you can nail down the >>>>>> id. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 20:55, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks similar to *Uvaria macrophylla* Roxb., at Hong Kong >>>>>>> herbarium - https://www.herbarium.gov.hk/subpages.aspx?id=8908. The >>>>>>> indumentum of epicarp can be hairy, as per Flora of China - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008601 >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, Flora of "British India" and "Bengal Plats", both include its >>>>>>> distribution in Bangladesh (Silhet, Chittagong). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Most importantly*, the treatment of the taxon is different in the >>>>>>> paper titled, "A revised taxonomy for *Uvaria* (Annonaceae) in >>>>>>> continental Asia". >>>>>>> <https://bioone.org/journals/australian-systematic-botany/volume-31/issue-4/SB17051/A-revised-taxonomy-for-Uvaria-Annonaceae-in-continental-Asia/10.1071/SB17051.short#:~:text=A%20revised%20taxonomy%20for%20Uvaria%20(Annonaceae)%20in%20continental%20Asia&text=This%20paper%20presents%20a%20revision%20of%20Uvaria%20L.&text=Thirty%2Dthree%20species%20and%20species,Cyathostemma%20Griff.%2C%20Ellipeia%20Hook.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, before any species determination one needs to examine thoroughly >>>>>>> each and every morphological character of the submitted species. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 at 11:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then who identified it as Uvaria ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 19:01, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sawmliana ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr, 2021, 6:52 pm M Sawmliana, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Uvaria is not recorded/listed in Flora of Mizoram >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr, 2021, 5:37 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>> What are species listed in your area? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 16:11, M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Uvaria hamiltonii ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug, 2014, 6:32 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 27 July 2014 06:10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:195016] Uvaria sp. ? for ID >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Mizoram >>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Large climber >>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Growing wild in the forests. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note : Fruit edible. 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