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Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:27 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Singh ji. > I do not think we have any such post in efi so far as per images at POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196191-1>. > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 21:17, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji while comparing please keep Cirsium vulgare in mind. Although not >> listed in BSI Flora or FBI, the species is a weed naturalised >> in many parts of the world including India and Pakistan. The heads >> resemble C. verutum but leaves are narrower and not white beneath, >> involucre bracts although green like V. verutum, much more narrower and >> sharply pointed. and spreading. >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 2:02 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> From the previous discussions, there seems to be Confusion between >>> Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum. >>> Let us have a closer look at its nomenclature: >>> >>> *FBI from IBIS Flora*: >>> *Cnicus argyracanthus* (DC.) C.B.Clarke >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-argyracanthus-dc-cbclarke> >>> (Stem cottony, leaves glabrous above cottony or glabrate beneath lobes >>> and teeth strongly spinescent, radical petioled pinnatifid lobes rounded, >>> cauline broader cordate amplexicaul, *heads 3/4-1 in. diam, sessile >>> densely fascicled involucrate, invol. bracts with woolly margins and long >>> strong erect or spreading spines, innermost linear acuminate, corolla 1/2 >>> in. white. **Carduus argyracanthus*, Wall. Cat. 2903. >>> TEMPERATE HIMALAYA, *alt. 6-9000 ft.,* from Murree to Bhutan (excl. >>> Sikkim). >>> *A more slender plant than C. involucratus, with the leaves always >>> glabrous above and much more numerous smaller and densely fascicled heads.* >>> Achenes 1/8 in. long ; pappus 1/2 in., nearly white.) >>> >>> Description above matches with specimens of *C. argyracanthum* (POWO >>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>)- >>> one <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K001118167>, >>> two <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K000250088> >>> >>> *Cnicus involucratus* Wall. ex DC. >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-involucratus-wall-ex-dc> >>> (*T**all, stout, erect,* *leaves setulose above white-tomentose beneath* >>> teeth and lobes spinescent, radical petioled pinnate, segments lanceolate >>> sinuate-lobed or toothed, cauline broader cordate-amplexicaul ovate or >>> lanceolate pinnatifid, *heads 1.1/2-2.1/2 in. diam, solitary or >>> fascicled involucrate, invol. bracts glabrate all ending in slender erect >>> or subrecurved spines or a few innermost linear acuminate, corolla 1 in. >>> long.* >>> TEMPERATE HIMALAYA ; from Kashmir to Bhotan, alt. *8-12,000 ft.* >>> *Stem as thick below as the little finger, 2-6 ft. high, branched above. >>> Leaves, radical a foot long, pinnatifid to the middle or deeper, or to the >>> base with distant lobes.* *Heads inclined ;* corolla glabrous. Achenes >>> 1/5 in. long, obovoid-oblong, margins obtuse ; pappus 2/3 in., >>> brown.—Western specimens of this have more rigid leaves, spinescent above, >>> and longer stronger invol. spines than the Sikkim ones have. *De >>> Candolle describes the corollas as purple, which they appear to be when >>> dry, but they are pale yellow-white when fresh.* I have gathered in E. >>> Nipal withered specimens of a plant like this, but with the leaves quite >>> glabrous above and many rows of inner invol. bracts with soft reflexed flat >>> wrinkled tips. I have also seen in Sikkim and the Khasia leaves supposed to >>> belong to this species that are quite glabrous above.) >>> >>> Description above matches with specimens of *C. verutum* (POWO >>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196173-1>)- >>> one <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358304.jpg> (C. involucratus of FBI) >>> and two <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358305.jpg> (C. involucratus of >>> FBI), the following may be the real C.verutum: >>> Cirsium sp?? — enroute Dhel at GHNP – PKA30 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/D3CMasVd7g8> (12000 >>> ft.) >>> >>> *Cnicus wallichii* (DC.) C.B.Clarke >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-wallichii-dc-cbclarke> >>> (*DC. Prodr.* vi. 643 (Cirsium) ; stem pubescent leafy, leaves sessile >>> sinuate-pinnatifid lobes spinescent lobulate spines very long and strong >>> glabrous above and beneath or cottony or tomentose beneath, *heads >>> 3/4-1.1/2 in. solitary and on naked peduncles or sessile fascicled and >>> involucrate, outer invol. bracts lanceolate ending in **appressed** >>> erect or recurved spines, inner with spreading or recurved more or less >>> dilated, lanceolate or ovate spreading or recurved scarious serrulate acute >>> or spinescent tips, *corolla 2/3 in. long. *C. carlinoides*, Cass. var. >>> B, Herb. Ind. Or. H. f. & T. >>> >>> TEMPERATE HIMALAYA ; from Marri to Bhotan,* alt. 6-12,000 ft. *NILGHERRY >>> Mts., alt. 6000 ft. >>> *An extremely variable plant, 4-10 ft. high, with spreading branches, >>> which passes into C. argyracanthus through var. Wightiana in the Eastern >>> Himalayas and the Nilgherries.* The following varieties pass into one >>> another in the most perplexing way. *Corolla white, yellow or red >>> (according to Clarke)*.) >>> >>> *Cnicus wallichii* var. *nepalensis* (DC.) Hook.f. >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-wallichii-var-nepalensis-dc-hookf> >>> (leaves >>> white-tomentose beneath,*heads peduncled, inner invol. tracts with >>> broadly dilated scarious reflexed tips in many series more numerous than >>> the outer spiniferous ones, sometimes occupying two thirds of the head.* >>> Cnicus arachnoides, Wall. Cat. 2891. C. Wallichii, Clarke Comp. Ind. 219. >>> Cirsium nepalense, DC. Prodr. vi. 642.) >>> >>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/3112711> specimen- one >>> <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm34ab4cae5-1062-421c-a2d1-c9563688e6cf> >>> (*Cnicus wallichii *(DC.) C.B.Clarke), POWO >>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196195-1> >>> specimen- one <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/684782.jpg> (Cnicus >>> arachnoides Wall.) and two <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/359206.jpg> >>> (*Cnicus >>> wallichii* var. *nepalensis* (DC.) Hook.f. >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-wallichii-var-nepalensis-dc-hookf> >>> ) >>> >>> *Flora of China*: >>> *Cirsium verutum >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200023700>* (D. >>> Don) Sprengel >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200023700> >>> syn: *Cnicus verutus* D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 167. 1825; *Cirsium >>> involucratum* Candolle, nom. illeg. superfl. (2900-3900 m.) >>> *Cirsium argyracanthum >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242313045>* >>> Candolle >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242313045> >>> syn: *Cirsium tibeticum* Kitamura; *Cnicus argyracanthus* (Candolle) C. >>> B. Clarke (2100-3700 m.) >>> >>> Annotated checklist of the flowering plants of Nepal >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242313045> >>> (*Cirsium verutum* (D. Don) Spreng. with *Cirsium* *argyracanthum* DC. >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242313045> >>> , *Cirsium* *involucratum* DC. >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242313091> >>> , *Cnicus* *argyracanthus* (DC.) C. B. Clarke >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242421458> as >>> syn.) (750-2200 m) >>> >>> >>> From the above analysis, I feel most our specimens from lower elevation >>> may be of *Cnicus argyracanthus* (DC.) C.B.Clarke >>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/cnicus-argyracanthus-dc-cbclarke> >>> >>> Hi, Singh ji, >>> If you agree with my analysis above, I will resurface old threads at Cirsium >>> verutum <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/15/cirsium-verutum/> with >>> correct identification. >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpUU9JRV46D9QzjND6oQJ9oagJQ2%3Dn%3D_VUn2A3uP6rQKJg%40mail.gmail.com.
